Frontier, please fix the Dingo

[Firestar97]

There are multiple Mistakes in the Game regarding the Dingo and I'll try to list them all.
-the Dingo doesn't use the Burrows in the Game for its Puppys (Wolves, the other Fox Species and even Polar Bears should get this Behavior too)
-Dingos don't only live in Grasslands and Deserts. They live in a wide Range of Habitats including Rainforests, temperate Areas and Mountain Regions
-the worst Mistake in the Game is that the Zoopedia claims that other Color Morphs that aren't in the Game (for Example Black and tan) exclusively come from Hybridization with domesticated Dogs which isn't true. There are purebred Dingos with those Fur Colors (confirmed through genetic testing and at least one historical Painting from before the actual Colonization of the Continent which depicts a Dingo with a darker Fur Color). Dingos like that often get killed because it is widely believed that they are Hybrids and every Piece of Missinformation regarding the Fur Colors makes it worse. Purebred Dingos are already rare enough without them getting unnecessaryli shot
-Dingos also need to get the Chorus Behavior that was introduced with the Conservation Pack because like Wolf Packs, Dingo Packs also howl together

 

[Chuditch]

I agree with all of this. As an additional note, dingoes should also be given chorus behaviour given it's just weird the other two Canis lupus subspecies have it but they don't. I was expecting it to come in 1.11 but like the orangutan brachiating it seems like it's up in the air at the point.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvIdJoiei4k

 

[Firestar97]

I agree with all of this. As an additional note, dingoes should also be given chorus behaviour given it's just weird the other two Canis lupus subspecies have it but they don't. I was expecting it to come in 1.11 but like the orangutan brachiating it seems like it's up in the air at the point.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvIdJoiei4k

Thanks, forgot about that. I'll add it to the List

 

[Orque41]

I saw an error in the dingo map. Normally it's photo A but it's photo B because they can be found in Thailand and although groups are located in Myanmar (Burma), South China, Laos, Malaysia, Indonesia, Borneo, in the Philippines and New Guinea. If you believe look in Wikipedia

Picture A

Picture B

 

[Chuditch]

I saw an error in the dingo map. Normally it's photo A but it's photo B because they can be found in Thailand and although groups are located in Myanmar (Burma), South China, Laos, Malaysia, Indonesia, Borneo, in the Philippines and New Guinea. If you believe look in Wikipedia

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Picture B
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As I've said before, the idea of dingoes being widespread in south-east Asia is outdated and was based on outward appearance rather than genetic evidence. These days the dingo group is considered to be endemic to Oceania, with Australian dingoes on mainland Australia and the New Guinea singing dog in New Guinea. I wouldn't be opposed to PZ extending their range to include New Guinea, but that depends on if Frontier considers NGSDs to be dingoes (which they don't based on their zoopedia entry).

Australian dingoes and New Guinea singing dogs also look quite different despite being extremely closely related (to the point that some dingo populations in Australia are more closely related to NGSDs than to other Australian dingoes), so you couldn't really use the dingoes in game as a substitute for them. Singing dogs are a lot smaller and shorter, and their howls are distinctly different.

Just goes to show how quickly they've evolved since their arrival in Oceania.

 

[Orque41]

As I've said before, the idea of dingoes being widespread in south-east Asia is outdated and was based on outward appearance rather than genetic evidence. These days the dingo group is considered to be endemic to Oceania, with Australian dingoes on mainland Australia and the New Guinea singing dog in New Guinea. I wouldn't be opposed to PZ extending their range to include New Guinea, but that depends on if Frontier considers NGSDs to be dingoes (which they don't based on their zoopedia entry).

Australian dingoes and New Guinea singing dogs also look quite different despite being extremely closely related (to the point that some dingo populations in Australia are more closely related to NGSDs than to other Australian dingoes), so you couldn't really use the dingoes in game as a substitute for them. Singing dogs are a lot smaller and shorter, and their howls are distinctly different.

I absolutely agree with you
Just goes to show how quickly they've evolved since their arrival in Oceania.

I absolutely agree with you

 

[Firestar97]

I wouldn't be opposed to PZ extending their range to include New Guinea, but that depends on if Frontier considers NGSDs to be dingoes (which they don't based on their zoopedia entry).

New Guinea Singing Dogs should definitely be counted separately. They can even climb on Trees which the Dingo probably can't do

As I've said before, the idea of dingoes being widespread in south-east Asia is outdated and was based on outward appearance rather than genetic evidence. These days the dingo group is considered to be endemic to Oceania, with Australian dingoes on mainland Australia and the New Guinea singing dog in New Guinea. I wouldn't be opposed to PZ extending their range to include New Guinea, but that depends on if Frontier considers NGSDs to be dingoes (which they don't based on their zoopedia entry).

Australian dingoes and New Guinea singing dogs also look quite different despite being extremely closely related (to the point that some dingo populations in Australia are more closely related to NGSDs than to other Australian dingoes), so you couldn't really use the dingoes in game as a substitute for them. Singing dogs are a lot smaller and shorter, and their howls are distinctly different.

Just goes to show how quickly they've evolved since their arrival in Oceania.

Wait, is that on the right Side a New Guinea Singing Dog? I thought they would be bigger. At least as big as a Dingo

 

[Chuditch]

New Guinea Singing Dogs should definitely be counted separately. They can even climb on Trees which the Dingo probably can't do

Dingoes can actually, they both share the same uniquely flexible forelimbs and wrists that allow them to shimmy up trees (neither spend much time in trees to my knowledge though). I agree they're different enough to count separately though, despite being the same subspecies.

Wait, is that on the right Side a New Guinea Singing Dog? I thought they would be bigger. At least as big as a Dingo

Yeah it is, they're a fair bit smaller, especially due to their shorter legs. They get up to 45 cm tall at the shoulder while Australian dingoes reach 60 cm. I think that one might be a particularly small individual though.

 

[Firestar97]

(neither spend much time in trees to my knowledge though)

I think when I've checked again to be completely sure that I'm not writing weird Nonsense, it was also mentioned that New Guinea Singing Dogs also like to sleep on Trees
Edit: looked it up again. They don't really properly sleep on Trees but they snooze on them

 

[SalamAnders]

While I was never very satisfied with the dingos taking a spot in the Australia Pack, I appreciate all I have learned about them since, from threads like these.

 

[NZFanatic]

While I was never very satisfied with the dingos taking a spot in the Australia Pack, I appreciate all I have learned about them since, from threads like these.

Honestly @Chuditch alone is responsible for me liking them a lot more.

 

[Chuditch]

Honestly @Chuditch alone is responsible for me liking them a lot more.

I'm glad I could share some enthusiasm! They're the kind of animal that appears very mundane at a glace but turn out to be a lot more interesting once you start learning about them.

 

[NZFanatic]

I'm glad I could share some enthusiasm! They're the kind of animal that appears very mundane at a glace but turn out to be a lot more interesting once you start learning about them.

Yeah, my issue was never their 'mundaneness', it was always the timing for me. Wellington Zoo has dingoes (only ones in NZ) and they are really cool to see, but they also have Tasmanian devils, which are far more exciting to me. The devil represents an ancient line of endemic Australian mammals, after all, whereas the dingo, even if it is an endemic species now, is a far more recent addition to Australia's fauna (comparatively speaking).

It was just kind of a bummer to get two different wolf variations in the same year, given all that Australia has to offer - like I've said before, I'm shocked they didn't also add the perentie, or lace monitor, or the freshwater crocodile. My disappointment was compounded by the inclusion of the cassowary over the emu, too; sure, it's flashier, but as far as zoo collections go, the emu ought to be in before the cassowary (which could fit in other themes easily; islands, tropics, even Southeast Asia on a technicality!).

In any case, I'm far less resistant to the dingo than I was back then, and it's largely thanks to your informative takes.

 

[Chuditch]

Yeah, my issue was never their 'mundaneness', it was always the timing for me. Wellington Zoo has dingoes (only ones in NZ) and they are really cool to see, but they also have Tasmanian devils, which are far more exciting to me. The devil represents an ancient line of endemic Australian mammals, after all, whereas the dingo, even if it is an endemic species now, is a far more recent addition to Australia's fauna (comparatively speaking).

It was just kind of a bummer to get two different wolf variations in the same year, given all that Australia has to offer - like I've said before, I'm shocked they didn't also add the perentie, or lace monitor, or the freshwater crocodile. My disappointment was compounded by the inclusion of the cassowary over the emu, too; sure, it's flashier, but as far as zoo collections go, the emu ought to be in before the cassowary (which could fit in other themes easily; islands, tropics, even Southeast Asia on a technicality!).

In any case, I'm far less resistant to the dingo than I was back then, and it's largely thanks to your informative takes.

This is a perfectly valid take. As I've said before, I'm personally really happy we got the dingo in the Australia Pack because it's far less likely than many other Australian animals to be added later down the line, but I understand how getting a third wolf subspecies in the first year of PZ's post-release support was frustrating when there were so many more unique opinions available.

Perfect world would have been to have the dingo either as a base game or deluxe animal (although this would probably change the way the tug rope, splash pool and bubble machine are added to the game - I think the dingo had more new enrichment items added alongside it than any other animal). A "low effort" animal that doubles the Australian habitat roster at release and frees a spot in the Australia Pack, what's not to love!

(They'd probably still have been replaced by the perentie or lace monitor as the low effort animal of the Australia Pack rather than something like the Tasmanian devil, but as someone who really wants an Australian goanna in the game I'd be happy with that)