Frontier WANTS people to have the fun, not the grind!

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The grind is NOT required to have good ships. Here're my thoughts while I cruise to Smeaton Orbital for the next 40 minutes...

THIS picture makes literally no sense:

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Those Tourists could have purchased a ship for a third of this price ("Yeah! But who's going to fly it, kid? You?")

The Devs put these shortcuts into the game so folks could make the jump from understanding the basics to getting enough cash to buy the ships they want, pronto. Yeah, they're not Engineered, or unlocked by rank, or using PowerPlay modules, but an A-Rated Python is still fun. And these shortcuts get you one in about 5 hours playtime.

That's all. Have a great weekend.
 

Imgran

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Like the Smeaton run isn't a grind :p

For me, the rule is simple. If you have fun, do it. If you're not having fun, stop.

2 years into owning the game I have a Fer-De-Lance and a Python as the co-flagships of my little fleet, and I still do a lot of adventuring in my Asp Explorer which I'm getting ready to rekit as a full time exploration ship. I did that by doing things that I enjoyed, and only grinding when the grind was interesting -- and by getting involved in the BGS and helping out with a PMF.

Basically, I'm a wandering vagabond adventurer, trying out various features of the game and doing what I find fun to do -- exactly the playstyle FD intended. Powergaming isn't the intended gamestyle so it is what it is -- possible, but not catered to. People who like to powergrind don't enjoy that their way of playing is not catered to -- I understand their frustration, but I do not want to play a game that caters to power gaming.

This is a universe. Go find out what's in it. And if you get some cool toys along the way, great!
 
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Hercules said:
Plan you day, do concurrent activities like pay attention to the wife and/or kids for 40 minutes. Easy peasy.
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You're absolutely right, but that doesn't mean it isn't a grind :p

That said, I've been doing the Medb run, because I find it interesting. and I needed to catch up on some reading. :p I do it because it's interesting, because it's something new to do, and because I get rewarded for doing it. When the meta changes, I'll go do something else. That's how this works.

Oh yes, and the Medb run allows me to grind Fed rank easily, which is something I've wanted to get around to for awhile.

I also like to spend a lot of time thinking how the game could be better. I'll probably make a few more suggestions over time. They will never be listened to of course, but I do it because I find it fun.
 

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Blackcompany said:
That's how you excuse 40 minutes of doing NOTHING in a GAME?
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Just an FYI. In GTA 5 there's a way to quintuple the money you stole by buying stock, going to sleep, and then selling. Huge increase that allows you to buy that boat or mansion you've always wanted. Seems like all games without micro-transactions have these shortcuts.
 

Blackcompany

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Hercules said:
Just an FYI. In GTA 5 there's a way to quintuple the money you stole by buying stock, going to sleep, and then selling. Huge increase that allows you to buy that boat or mansion you've always wanted. Seems like all games without micro-transactions have these shortcuts.
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Ok, so both GTA and Elite have laughably horrible systems...
 

GG7

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Ziljan said:
What is this "grind" people keep talking about? Elite doesn't require you to do anything, period. Any grind people are encountering is 100% self imposed.
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Unless you want to see any of the previously attacked stations repaired and put back into service. ;)
 

Rubbernuke

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Ziljan said:
What is this "grind" people keep talking about? Elite doesn't require you to do anything, period. Any grind people are encountering is 100% self imposed.
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This episode of Ulysses 31 is ED and its players, as Sisyphus finds out to his cost at the end (21 minutes onwards):

[video=youtube;WbqAQcndkro]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbqAQcndkro[/video]

It even has Thargoids in it!
 

-VR- Max Factor

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Blackcompany said:
Really?

That's how you excuse 40 minutes of doing NOTHING in a GAME?

If I want to be entertained for 40 minutes while relaxing, I've got Hulu, Netflix and Kindle. I'm not dragging out a headset and HOTAS to do that...
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It's a choice. The game hasn't forced him to do that. But Hercules probably went "I need to spend time with the kids for the next 30min, I will just set up this run".

It's called multitasking. Obviously if he wasn't going to spend time with the kids he probably wouldn't take that mission.

But if you want to take those missions and watch netflix that is your choice, but complain after you have chosen to do that is pretty lame.

Rubbernuke said:
This episode of Ulysses 31 is ED and its players, as Sisyphus finds out to his cost at the end (21 minutes onwards):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbqAQcndkro

It even has Thargoids in it!
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What a great cartoon that was.
 

verminstar

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Hercules said:
Just an FYI. In GTA 5 there's a way to quintuple the money you stole by buying stock, going to sleep, and then selling. Huge increase that allows you to buy that boat or mansion you've always wanted. Seems like all games without micro-transactions have these shortcuts.
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Far as Im aware, that exploit was patched out ages ago ^
 

Renown

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Hercules said:
The grind is NOT required to have good ships. Here're my thoughts while I cruise to Smeaton Orbital for the next 40 minutes...

THIS picture makes literally no sense:

[IMGUR]gXliE[/IMGUR]

Those Tourists could have purchased a ship for a third of this price ("Yeah! But who's going to fly it, kid? You?")

The Devs put these shortcuts into the game so folks could make the jump from understanding the basics to getting enough cash to buy the ships they want, pronto. Yeah, they're not Engineered, or unlocked by rank, or using PowerPlay modules, but an A-Rated Python is still fun. And these shortcuts get you one in about 5 hours playtime.

That's all. Have a great weekend.
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Then 30mins in you get a "mission critical message : alternative destination" saying they don't want to go there, can you take them back to where you came from and go to a different station instead.
 

Lily from anim.o.v.e

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Hercules said:
The grind is NOT required to have good ships. Here're my thoughts while I cruise to Smeaton Orbital for the next 40 minutes...

THIS picture makes literally no sense:

[IMGUR]gXliE[/IMGUR]



Those Tourists could have purchased a ship for a third of this price ("Yeah! But who's going to fly it, kid? You?")

The Devs put these shortcuts into the game so folks could make the jump from understanding the basics to getting enough cash to buy the ships they want, pronto. Yeah, they're not Engineered, or unlocked by rank, or using PowerPlay modules, but an A-Rated Python is still fun. And these shortcuts get you one in about 5 hours playtime.

That's all. Have a great weekend.
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whats a low rank npc cositng? thats what they could pay additionally to the ships cost.

Ziljan said:
What is this "grind" people keep talking about? Elite doesn't require you to do anything, period. Any grind people are encountering is 100% self imposed.
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Sure if you like to play full price games and enjoy 10% of their content that is then a valid choice.

Like buying a car just to honk it form time to time.
 
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Renown said:
Then 30mins in you get a "mission critical message : alternative destination" saying they don't want to go there, can you take them back to where you came from and go to a different station instead.
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Which you can safely ignore/decline. You DO play the game, right?
 

verminstar

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verminstar
Hercules said:
Fair enough; I haven't played the base game in a while. Mostly GTA Online now. Now there's good griefin'!
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GTA was designed with ganking and griefing one of the fundamental foundations...used to love sniping guys while they were driving...can take out the chopper pilots too sometimes. Used to sit fer hours on top of cranes just randomly killing anyone and everyone...just fer lolz ^
 

Juniper

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Earning money is only one aspect of the game.

There's no "win", there's no player economy, so what you have makes zero difference to any other player.

If you find a shortcut to quick cash, and it's not an exploit (long range bulk passenger missions are a deliberate and designed mechanic) then go for it, if that's what you want.

I have a secondary account that earned a billion in a week just by doing Hutton Orbital data delivery runs, and half of that time was spent unlocking Sol access.

It only lets you buy toys to do the dozens of other progression goals in the game.

I'd be OK if they had a "Rich socialite" startup option where you begin the game with a billion already.
 
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