G Force - In space??

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Watching YouTube vid of a Viper hitting boost halfway through a tight turn.

Warning G limits exceeded.

I know there are many things in the game I could be <REDACTED> about - such as explosions in space (but I can live with that as it adds so much to the atmosphere of the game)

But G Force in a zero G environment??

Come on guys SRSLY?
 
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Mike - you rotter. I spat my tea all over my keyboard.

Edit: Apologies - having re-read my comment, I suspect it came across less polite than intended.

The g-force effect isn't due to gravity, it is due to forces acting on your body.
Taking aside the acceleration into supercruise and hyperspace, which is breaking the currently known laws of physics by using Frame Shift drive technology (and therefore not acceleration as we know it) - in a ship, if you are travelling at a speed x and change direction into the opposite direction, there will be forces acting on your body.

You will be pushed hard into your seat as the ship around you changes your travelling in one direction to travelling in another direction in a short space of time. Blood will pool in your extremities in that direction and all that jazz.

0 to 100m/s in 2s, you have accelerated at 50m per second squared. Or 5g. (5 times the force exerted by Earth's gravity).

The forces due to gravity are F=GMm/r^2 - you are small m, planet is big M, gravitational constant doesn't change and the closer you are (r), the more the pull (F).
 
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Technically, gravity is*not* a force, it is an acceleration. Non-scientists have an unfortunate habit of using technical terms with precise meanings in the wrong way, and you have fallen foul of such a linguistic trap. What we call "zero-G" is no such thing - it is the observed effect of 2 objects falling at the same rate.
 
Welcome to the Forums Commander! :)

You should probably do your homework before making such a post, unless you were being humourous. ;)

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
— Abraham Lincoln
 
Sarn, you walked into this one :D But have fun out there, and welcome!

Any chance you could explain how you think g-force works and why you believe it doesn't exist in space? ;)

Btw, Mike, is still G-force warning's threshold artificially increased? When you could enable it correctly?
 
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Watching YouTube vid of a Viper hitting boost halfway through a tight turn.

Warning G limits exceeded.

I know there are many things in the game I could be irritated about - such as explosions in space (but I can live with that as it adds so much to the atmosphere of the game)

But G Force in a zero G environment??

Come on guys SRSLY?

Welcome to the forums, Commander. As we say in the Pilot's Federation Accademy: "Did you research the topic before asking the question?".
 
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Technically, gravity is*not* a force, it is an acceleration. Non-scientists have an unfortunate habit of using technical terms with precise meanings in the wrong way, and you have fallen foul of such a linguistic trap. What we call "zero-G" is no such thing - it is the observed effect of 2 objects falling at the same rate.

Really? I thought gravity was the weakest of the four fundamental forces, or is that too simplistic a way of looking at it?
 
>> Really? I thought gravity was the weakest of the four fundamental forces, or is that too simplistic a notion nowdays?

Gravity certainly is the weakest fundamental force - consider that when you pick up a cup of coffee, you are effortlessly overcoming the gravity of an entire planet. Viingetuns explanation pretty much covers it though
 
What the hell is this forum?
Every post has to be approved by a moderator??

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'The g-force acting on an object in any weightless environment such as free-fall in a vacuum is 0 g'
 
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What the hell is this forum?
Every post has to be approved by a moderator??

OK, this post went missing...


'The g-force acting on an object in any weightless environment such as free-fall in a vacuum is 0 g'

Only first post :)

Sure, but it doesn't talk about object who rotates for example ;)
 
I can't believe you lot are so smug about it all?

OK, lets make the ships computer controlled by AI instead.

The speeds involved and rates of acceleration in the game would squash a human to a pulp.

Please remove G limits, its stupid.
 
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People have many many misconceptions about how things work in space so it's no surprise that such a question would come up.
As an aside I once had a lengthy discussion over the way flames work in space any where there is no such thing as convection in microgravity. It took me some considerable time to explain it to the person but I got there eventually.
Anyway, it is understandable that some people have questions such as these. We're a planet bound species and have had nothing in our evolutionary history to prepare us for the way things work in zero-gee or microgravity. So no wonder it's a bit of a mystery for many people.

Everything in microgravity happens the same way it does on Earth but without the gravitational component.
What does that mean ?
Well lets say you're on Earth and turning quickly around a corner in a car. You feel pulled to one side of the car, away from the corner. You're also being pulled down into your seat by gravity. You still feel down as being down but perhaps a bit off to the side because of your motion around the corner. If you had a glass of water in your hand you'd see that the surface is at an angle and not flat as it is when you're stopped. Thats' because you have a force pulling it down and simultaneously a force pulling it to the side away from the corner. Lets say these balance so the angle of the surface of the water is the sum of them both which means it will be equally puled by both forces so it'll be at 45 degrees.
Now do the same thing in space.
You turn the corner and you feel exactly the same force on you "pushing" you away from the corner. Now there's no gravity pulling you down but you are being "pulled" or "pushed" away from the corner. You are still feeling a force.
If you look at our glass of water before you start you'll see that it's actually a ball of water in the glass because its surface tension is pulling the water into a sphere. There's no gravity pulling it down. You're missing a force.
Now look again at the glass of water when you're going around the corner. You'll see that instead of being at a 45 degree angle, like it was on Earth it will all be pushed over to the side of the glass. Let's say you have a lid on the glass. You'll have all the water on one side of the glass and half of the bottom will be dry. All of the water is being pushed away from the corner. This is because there is only one force active at the moment. You have removed gravity by going up into space and falling at the same speed as gravity pulls you down which effectively negates gravity as a force. There are other effects but I'm glossing over them to keep it simple.

So on Earth we can see the the water, and you, experienced two forces. Gravity, which we get used to and forget it's there most of the time, and the force acting upon us when we go around the corner.
Now in space we have negated one of the forces. So we will only experience the forces upon us due to our motion around the corner.
We still feel that centrifugal/centripetal force acting upon us to push us and the water away from the corner we are turning around.
We still feel forces that are caused by our motion.

If we stop our motion by switching off the rocket engine then we're not applying any forces and we've negated gravity by falling (microgravity) so we don't experience any forces acting upon us, We're floating freely.
If we switch on the rocket engine again the craft will accelerate around us until it comes into contact with us floating there, and then we bash into the wall that is now the floor and we experience a force that feels very much like gravity. If the engine switches off that force goes away and we float about again. If the engine reverses the what was a moment ago the floor will become the ceiling. And we see the old ceiling coming towards us as if we're falling upwards from the old floor to the old ceiling. They have now become the new floor and the new ceiling. If you switch off the rocket engine again then we'll float, and if it goes back to forward thrust we can stand on the floor, which was the celing but used to be the floor in the first place.

So if you have a rocket that's moving fast enough to generate the equivalent force we could go somewhere else in space whilst all the time feeling like we were still on Earth. The gravitational force of the Earth is replaces by the motion of the rocket so you can stand up properly, and play tennis, and go to the toilet in a sensible manner.

The bottom line here is that we feel forces in space when we accelerate. Accelerating means that we're applying a force. So we feel that force. Just the same as we do on Earth but without the gravity bit.
 
I can't believe you lot are so smug about it all?

OK, lets make the ships computer controlled by AI instead.

The speeds involved and rates of acceleration in the game would squash a human to a pulp.

Please remove G limits, its stupid.

Sarn, no one's smug, and there's no G limits. There are G-force *warnings* which possibly will be triggered in very few cases anyway, mostly in fighters like Eagle, Viper....etc. In those cases pilot itself would experience "redouts" anyway...This feature isn't even fully enabled yet.
 
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Sarn, only the first couple of posts have to be approved. It's a common practice to stop drive-by bot postings. You'd hate the alternative more, I promise you. I've been a forum mod on a busy forum before, and I imagine things have only gotten worse since "my day".

>> 'The g-force acting on an object in any weightless environment such as free-fall in a vacuum is 0 g'

Absolutely true. However, when you are travelling in a straight line, whether in space or anywhere else and the vehicle you are travelling in changes its' motion, you experience a resultant force as your body keeps travelling with the original velocity it has, until the pushing / pulling has equalised your velocity with your vehicle. Feeble human meatware pilots can only withstand a puny 9G or so before blood pooling and other physiological take over, and even that only with a special suit.
 
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