General / Off-Topic Gamestop and Wall Street

Here's a piece on a fellow who saved his doggie:


The Hedge Fund Melvin Capital has lost a staggering sum, forced to close their position on the short sell. Looks like they did NOT have stop loss covering orders in place, and had to eat a 300$ loss per share. :oops: How many shares? Let's just say that 140% of the ENTIRE share capital was shorted. How is that even possible, I do not know.:eek:

Because of some guys in a subReddit. :cool:
Seriously, you have to either be crazy or an insider now.
 
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Here's a piece on a fellow who saved his doggie:


The Hedge Fund Melvin Capital has lost a staggering sum, forced to close their position on the short sell. Looks like they did NOT have stop loss covering orders in place, and had to eat a 300$ loss per share. :oops: How many shares? Let's just say that 140% of the ENTIRE share capital was shorted. How is that even possible, I do not know.:eek:

Because of some guys in a subReddit. :cool:
Seriously, you have to either be crazy or an insider now.
Would you jump out of a plane without a parachute?
 
Gamestop is just one example. Many of the most heavily shorted stocks have seen triple digit gains recently as counter manipulators try to screw over hedge funds.

The calls for increase regulation from hedge funds and other major investors who are used to being able to leverage their superior asset pools to manipulate markets, and thus sponge up all the losses of smaller investors, because they got caught off guard, is comedy gold.

It's also amusing to see several major stocks outpace common cryptos in volatility and watch the mental gymnastics required from those who are somehow pro-securities markets, but anti-crypto. Now just wait for someone to chime in with some outlandish comparison about how Gamestop (nothing more than a collection of fancy billboard advertisements) or BlackBerry (patent trolls) is somehow doing something more useful than the Bitcoin network.

It's like the whole stock market is some kind of house of cards or something.

More like the whole global financial system.

We have debt-backed fractional-reserve money, where debt itself is collateral. The whole thing operates on the presumption of unlimited growth, so no one will ever have cause to overdraw the system, and money can just be printed on a whim--especially in the case of the US, who issue the de facto global reserve currency that everyone uses and no one can afford to not prop up (40%+ of US debt is held by foreign investors).

I don't know when the reckoning will come, or if I'll be around to see it, but it will be doozy.

Can can't help wonder if this is a slightly modernised form of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_and_dump - get a bunch of people to invest in the shares with no hard data, then get out quick before the share price drops back again. Incidentally stick it to the big money investors to help it gain traction. Will be interesting to see the fallout when the share price drops back down.

Pump and dump is par for the course in speculative investments of all kinds. Most valuations of most share prices are borderline nonsense; hype, largely devorced from any sort of tangible assets, based on the rumored prowess of certain executives and vague predictions of the performance of future products based on past trends that may or may not be relevant. It's just that there are usually a few major active sharholders that can set the terms for their own benefit.

The difference here is that vague collectives of smaller investors are actively buying heavily shorted stocks, so all these funds that were profiting from the negative sentiment around these corporations are now being forced to cover those bets as the stocks are pumped by those outside of their control.

Any system that allows bad investments allows this kind of manipulation. Any system that doesn't allow bad investments doesn't allow stock markets.
 
NEW YORK (AP) — The online trading platform Robinhood is moving to restrict trading in GameStop and other stocks that have soared recently due to rabid buying by smaller investors.

GameStop stock has rocketed from below $20 earlier this month to more than $400 Thursday as a volunteer army of investors on social media challenged big institutions who had placed market bets that the stock would fall.

Among the restrictions announced by Robinhood on Thursday, investors would only be able to sell their positions and not open new ones in some cases, and Robinhood will try to slow the amount of trading using borrowed money.

It ?probably can't last.
 
Ah, the free market is only free as long as we like the result.
Those 'in-change' of the stock market, have pulled the reins in and stopped all of the buying of said stock. To protect the 'short sellers', loosing any more money. Strange really, because 'short selling', (betting that the share price will go down) is considered as a bit dodgy and should not be able to be done. Mostly because those doing it, can manipulate said shares, in so many different ways.
 
They like to pretend regulation is to benefit the people, but it's always been to benefit the regulators.

WallStreetBets and related initiatives are helping lay bare the hypocrisy and corruption inherent in our financial systems and supposed democracies.
These days the people in the street, lose both ways. They can invest with the investment companies and lose all of their savings, due to stock market greed and fraudulent behaviour. Or: Stay well out of the way as far as the stock market is concerned and not invest their money. But will still pay, as a tax payer and lose their standard of living; when the austerity measures are applied, to re-pay the bail-outs required; due to greed and fraudulent behaviour, within the market.

Al Capone was right.
 
These days the people in the street, lose both ways. They can invest with the investment companies and lose all of their savings, due to stock market greed and fraudulent behaviour. Or: Stay well out of the way as far as the stock market is concerned and not invest their money. But will still pay, as a tax payer and lose their standard of living; when the austerity measures are applied, to re-pay the bail-outs required; due to greed and fraudulent behaviour, within the market.

Al Capone was right.

Letting government control money was the dumbest thing civilization ever did.
 
Letting government control money was the dumbest thing civilization ever did.
Letting other people 'play with' your money, is pretty stupid, as well.

Back to topic.

Said share price has dropped by 60% since, the trading restrictions were applied to the shares market. Status Que, restored. :D
 
within all times it is the intrinsic value of a share that makes me buy it. You make money in buying, not in selling. I do this from an investors point of view. Shares and bonds are a good thing.

It even works thru the next bubble-blast that is going to happen anytime soon (or not soon, but it will). Keep cash to buy when blood runs down the streets.

The dividends fill your refridgerator. ;-)

everything else is gambling.
 
within all times it is the intrinsic value of a share that makes me buy it.

There is no such thing as intrinsic value of a share, even if some valuations are more sensible than others.

The dividends fill your refridgerator. ;-)

Over the long run you'll be lucky if dividend yields outpace inflation.

everything else is gambling.

That's the point of all this current fuss. For decades banks and investment funds have been gambling with other people's money, expecting to be bailed out at the public expense when they screw up, and putting pressure on outsiders to keep them from playing at the same tables...all while enjoying limited liability, lower taxes, and more preferential influence on regulators in a kind of class protectionism.
 
What excuse is Robinhood giving for banning trades in these commodities? I know the reason is that Wall Street is urined-off at being screw "attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis" ed but what is actually being said?
 
Said share price has dropped by 60% since, the trading restrictions were applied to the shares market. Status Que, restored. :D

With no sellers this valuation is even more illusionary than the pump. Looks good on a balance sheet, but markets will need to open up to see if it sticks. Right now they are hoping that people will get impatient and sell, so the funds that influence these exchanges can cover their shorts.

what is actually being said?

One of the biggest loads of hypocritical horse-manure I've seen put into text:
 
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