General / Off-Topic Gamestop and Wall Street

One funny thing is when you study finances and the markets you are taught that the market is rational.

That one always confused me because its people working the market, and people are anything but rational.

But the best story i found in relation to shares trading was where someone decided to prove stock managers did not provide the value they claimed in managing your stocks. So he basically got his dog to pick the stocks he should invest in. The dog outperformed the average for stock managers. :D

During the past year I have decisively performed much better than any high-flyer fund manager by more than doubling my precious little savings (I wish I had enough to quit my job) - and my portfolio was very conservative, I was only playing long stocks - I believe the option I bought on GME was the first since 2019.
See Ray Dalio, everyone pays attention to what he says yet he is just getting into bad runs one after another.

It certainly seems like since 2008 and the age of infinite money, the compass of the veteran big shots is broken. I learned my lesson after shorting Tesla simply based on the conviction that the business is grossly overvalued - I haven't shorted any stock ever since. Rules of valuation have changed, probably permanently.
 
My 'pension' has lost money, two years in a row and yet, the company handling it, is still charging me a fee. I am not allowed to take the money and 'invest it myself'. I could have made more, buying gold, or even Chinese stocks, but no. I just have to watch the likes of Blackrock and Standard life, feather their own nests.
buy Blackrock stock instead ;-)
 
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It certainly seems like since 2008 and the age of infinite money, the compass of the veteran big shots is broken. I learned my lesson after shorting Tesla simply based on the conviction that the business is grossly overvalued - I haven't shorted any stock ever since. Rules of valuation have changed, probably permanently.

I don´t think so: since the beginning in 2021 I am very sure and of the same opinion as Ray Dalio, but it is as it always was: value invest and keep some cash to be able to buy in. Market has too much dumb money meanwhile, and always do the due dilligence yourself.
 
Going to be tough to explain why selling was OK, but buying was not. Gee, do you think that could be illegal manipulation of share price?
Not really ;)


Seems the reddit crowd are mainly using Options to buy the shares. So the company giving the option (Robinhood) needs to have the funds available to cover any loss if the buyer (Redditors) don't come up with the $$$. Now they have arranged that they are opening up. I would imagine the same would apply to those shorting the stock, but as they are big investors they will be used to that volume of trade.

I have no great love for the markets, but throwing money at them to 'punish' them doesn't seem sensible. Some will come out of this rich, a lot more ... not so much. But I guess when you start off with nothing that doesn't seem such an issue.
 
Not really ;)


Seems the reddit crowd are mainly using Options to buy the shares.

I bet, there are many noobs that do options and go in debt not only by loosing all their ins, but the amount of money multiplied within the options leverage. That is no fun at all. Remember the guy that killed himself last summer...
 
It's not gambling or the irrationality of markets that bothers me. It's the inequality and hypocrisy. Those with more money play by a blatantly better set of rules in life and financial markets are a microcosm of this.

Not really ;)

Completely stopping trading, or refusing to extend credit, would have made sense. However, they seemed to have stopped all buys, while allowing people to cash out of their positions, thus only allowing prices to fall. That looks like it was engineered to benefit institutional short sellers at the expense of retail traders. The announcement also didn't seem to have any exceptions for people buying shares with liquid capital, without any options contracts or loans involved. Even now, one can freely close their positions by selling off their stake, but cannot buy many of these stocks, even with upfront cash.

I have no great love for the markets, but throwing money at them to 'punish' them doesn't seem sensible.

A longshot chance to make a huge profit on a small investment is sensible to the gambler. A chance to hurt those one perceives, even in a nonspecific way, as being responsible for, or representative of, one's troubles, is sensible to those seeking vengeance. Exposing a sham system and those that operate and regulate it for what they are...well, that's even sensible to me.

I bet, there are many noobs that do options and go in debt not only by loosing all their ins, but the amount of money multiplied within the options leverage. That is no fun at all. Remember the guy that killed himself last summer...

Back in 2008 I had a crap ton of Chinese small caps bought on margin (even pre-crisis I wasn't quite reckless enough for the downside multiplying effect of options) when the bubble burst. That was a bit scary, but I never considered offing myself. I mean, my net worth was negative more money than I'd ever seen for a bit, but even if I hadn't been able to cash out semigracefully, what were they gonna do? Garnish my non-existent wages? Ruin my non-existent credit? Frankly, they were idiots to let me buy on margin anyway.

That's the real problem with markets and brokers...even now, they have all this privacy eviscerating KYC nonsense on the off chance someone dares try to cheat on their taxes (with all sorts of 'save the children'/'kill the terrorists' excuses for why it's needed), but they don't even check to see if someone has the means to cover losses before being willing to extend them insane lines of credit. In 2008 I had no employment history, and no credit history what so ever. I was still able to trade options, and I could buy on margin equal to what I had put in my accounts (and double that after being a customer for a while). This was like a no-questions asked six-figure loan to someone in their mid-twenties who barely existed on paper, and they're still doing it.

Anyway, with so much pressure surrounding money--frankly, for good reason, as survival often depends on it in the broken systems we've got--it's no wonder some react poorly to the threat of it's absence.
 
I could never solve Black -Scholes equations. 🙂

I bet, there are many noobs that do options and go in debt not only by loosing all their ins, but the amount of money multiplied within the options leverage. That is no fun at all. Remember the guy that killed himself last summer...

Much happier being out of the market. I have/had clincal depressive disease, so trading is risky personally. It's still an interesting thing to follow though.
 
I don´t think so: since the beginning in 2021 I am very sure and of the same opinion as Ray Dalio, but it is as it always was: value invest and keep some cash to be able to buy in. Market has too much dumb money meanwhile, and always do the due dilligence yourself.

The thing is that value stocks have very little upside breakout possibility while fully exposed to a full blown market crash. I agree going for cash or equivalent (precious metals) at this point.

Many many will get burned. And reading reddit.. Many that can not afford it.

One way or another, probably. The way I see it is that investing in these meme stocks have better risk reward ratio then mainstream stocks. There is very little upside room in the stock market compared to the potential abyss if hadge funds and Citadel blow up, I think we can easily get to 30% or more correction levels.

I will probably liquidate most of my positions while keeping a hand in short squeeze, in any case I want to have free cash.
I'll rather loose 5% of not being in the market for a few weeks than carry a risk of a major crash.
 
a crash is not an unusual thing. It happens all the time. I love Peter Lynch about that and Warren Buffet/Charlie Munger. They keep cool, because they know, what to do. As you see in the indexes, there definately is a bubble. And bubbles correct, crash or even go to bear market all the time. As far as I am concerned, I swapped fantasy-prices into intrinsicly "cheap" companies. I did this when the pandemic started and I could have made much more "book-value" by holding my BYD´s, Microsofts and Nvidias. But I sold them all and I sleep very well. My companies are healthy all over and I am satisfied with my goals. You can not foresee the future, but you can buy companies, that are far from the bubble. They will probably suffer when the crash happens, but as they are "healthy", I will hold them and buy again at cheap prices, as shares are very expensive meanwhile. So I hope there will be a crash and everybody leaves the market, because then it is the best time to buy. So get prepared to have the cash to "buy when blood runs down the streets".
 
Expect this to be regulated.

That was ultimately the goal, I think. What remains to be seen is if regulation can be tailored to limit retail traders without alienating retail traders. The market whales want retail traders around because they are, ideally, inexperienced and unfocused, which makes them easy to drain...they are the bottom of the pyramid. However, if they organize, or simply get caught up in a fad, they have enough collective financial assets to crap up the scam.

It's going to be very hard to setup a system that allows business as normal for hedge fund short-sellers and other institutional financial robber barons, but also makes them immune backlash from retail markets. Regulators will need to decide if it's worth making retail traders harder to scam at the cost of making them harder to scam. Sounds like a real catch-22 to me.
 
Im going to have fun and ask if people really still go to gamestop? I mean why? You have the little posters advertising new games, walk in and have the same trailer play over and over on their cheap TV, then the only person behind the counter holding up the line trying to fix a 40 year old's hand held game boy or whatever you call them nowadays. Not to mention the overprice random toy box.

Run in to buy a new ps4 pad, "Hey dude you sure you want that?- I have some used controller you will like!" what?
 
Im going to have fun and ask if people really still go to gamestop? I mean why? You have the little posters advertising new games, walk in and have the same trailer play over and over on their cheap TV, then the only person behind the counter holding up the line trying to fix a 40 year old's hand held game boy or whatever you call them nowadays. Not to mention the overprice random toy box.

Run in to buy a new ps4 pad, "Hey dude you sure you want that?- I have some used controller you will like!" what?
.......................and then wonder why, High Street shopping has died and the centre of town, has turned into desolate place, only fit for squatters and drug dealers.
 
...> gamestop? I mean why?

I got a PS4pro from their update promo last year (2019).
Handed in my ps4, two games and 80 Euros and a week later I had a brand new 4k-graphic game console.
That one week waiting period was certainly hellish, but Futurama 1-10 can help with that and as for passing the other 6 days I suggest Expanse, Outpost and reusing the mothballed x360 with Mass Effect 1-3.
 
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