Gankers at CG Stations… how is this STILL a thing?!

[LordBenjo]

Approach CG station in YZ Ceti, get lit up by a chap whilst INSIDE the station NFZ, literally .5k outside the mail slot. Station does nothing, cops just fly around.

My shields finally drop and I start taking hull damage. I deploy hardpoints and fire at ganker. Station launches all manner of hellfire in my direction and smears me all over the NFZ.

So, in summary, what the hell FDev?!?!

EDIT: I was still pledged to Aisling Duval after my prismo-shields grind.

Thanks for the suggestions and comments CMDRs. FDev; all apologies, I was a legit enemy and got taken out.

o7 all.

 

[SteveWW57]

Seems that you were caught out by the ganker provoking you into a reaction that caused the station of treat you as hostile and take you out. A win for the ganker.

Steve

P.S. Try solo and the problem goes away.

 

[LordBenjo]

Seems that you were caught out by the ganker provoking you into a reaction that caused the station of treat you as hostile and take you out. A win for the ganker.

Steve

P.S. Try solo and the problem goes away.

Yes, I get that.

So why wasn’t the ganker attacking me grounds to be terminated by the station, but me defending myself got me toasted by the authorities? Why isn’t this fixed?

Edit: I don’t want to play in private, I want to be able to defend myself when attacked by another player. Seems dumb.

 

[HappyMoonMonkey]

The ganker will be being lit up by the station. It's just that they will have a build to tank it for more seconds than you do. The aim there is to be able to do more damage to you (relatively) than the station can do to them in the same time frame. It's not a big window but can catch out flimsy builds. Opening fire on them secured your death sadly.

 

[LordBenjo]

The ganker will be being lit up by the station. It's just that they will have a build to tank it for more seconds than you do. The aim there is to be able to do more damage to you (relatively) than the station can do to them in the same time frame. It's not a big window but can catch out flimsy builds. Opening fire on them secured your death sadly.

But that’s not what happened. No fire from the station at all. I was surprised at the total lack of action. No reduction in ganker’s shields until I opened fire.

 

[HappyMoonMonkey]

If you were 0.5k then conceivably they were outside the fire zone of 7.5k? Do you know what weapons they were using? There are a couple that have that range.

 

[LordBenjo]

If you were 0.5k then conceivably they were outside the fire zone of 7.5k? Do you know what weapons they were using? There are a couple that have that range.

Nope, beam lasers. Close range stuff. Got hammered whilst flying all around the station hugging the surface, spamming chaff. Loads of CMDRs huddled inside the station too, presumably because ganker was able to murder with impunity. My conda boosts to like 370 m/s - If he was lateral thrusting or orbiting to keep me in his LOS at 7.5k out he’d have had to be doing about 9000 m/s.

 

[HappyMoonMonkey]

Ok. Well there are a few builds that will tank station guns for a short while. But nothing that will resist all damage completely. Without seeing a video or record of what happened it's very difficult to second guess.

Fundamentally however, the way to resist this attack is simply to build good shield and hull and not shoot back in a no-fire-zone. Just land or wake and let the station take care of them.

 

[LordBenjo]

Ok. Well there are a few builds that will tank station guns for a short while. But nothing that will resist all damage completely. Without seeing a video or record of what happened it's very difficult to second guess.

I’ll have to go back after the update drops now. If I can get in before I’ll go again and screen-record.

 

[HappyMoonMonkey]

I am assuming, of course, that it's not the hackers that have plagued the odd busy system recently. It could be. But it's also very easy to blame hacking when misjudging the circumstance under fire.

 

[Ned Flandalorian]

The no fire zone extends much further than the range of the stations weapons. Your attacker was smart enough to be far enough away, you were not.

 

[aRJay]

Nope, beam lasers. Close range stuff. Got hammered whilst flying all around the station hugging the surface, spamming chaff. Loads of CMDRs huddled inside the station too, presumably because ganker was able to murder with impunity. My conda boosts to like 370 m/s - If he was lateral thrusting or orbiting to keep me in his LOS at 7.5k out he’d have had to be doing about 9000 m/s.

Chaff is only effective against gimbal and turret mounts on ships, I have no idea if it works against station stuff, if he was using fixed mount weapons the chaff would do nothing.

 

[Screemonster]

So why wasn’t the ganker attacking me grounds to be terminated by the station, but me defending myself got me toasted by the authorities? Why isn’t this fixed?

There are a few ways they could go about it.

Are you pledged to a powerplay faction, by any chance? If you're pledged to a faction and your attacker is pledged to an enemy faction the station won't intervene in them attacking you.

Likewise, if you had Report Crimes Against Me turned off then an attacker would incur no penalty for firing on you but you'd very much incur a penalty for opening fire.

If you're armed with gimbals or turrets and they're using chaff, all it'd take is for one of your shots to hit the station (or a patrol ship) for station to think you're firing at it too - another common method of trolling people is to use the Smart Rounds multicannon experimental to attack people inside a station with no risk of stray bullets triggering any damage, then to pop chaff the instant their target returns fire to trick them into shooting the station.

If the attacker chose their angle correctly, they could attack from outside of the station's arc of fire while you were very much inside it.

 

[Rebel Yell]

Stations are gonkers, yeah.

 

[oblivionmanman 2476]

there is a button on top of my pc,its called anti ganker button,why lose a ship for them.

 

[HappyMoonMonkey]

there is a button on top of my pc,its called anti ganker button,why lose a ship for them.

Chaff?
Heatsink?

 

[oblivionmanman 2476]

no good against fixed weapons.

 

[Darrack]

Approach CG station in YZ Ceti, get lit up by a chap whilst INSIDE the station NFZ, literally .5k outside the mail slot. Station does nothing, cops just fly around.

My shields finally drop and I start taking hull damage. I deploy hardpoints and fire at ganker. Station launches all manner of hellfire in my direction and smears me all over the NFZ.

So, in summary, what the hell FDev?!?!

Why would anyone even attempt CGs in Open?

Spoiler: Here's a hint at a solution

O7

 

[oblivionmanman 2476]

i agree do all mine in solo,im there for the cg not target practise for gankers.

 

[Felix DiCestria]

Why would anyone even attempt CGs in Open?

Spoiler: Here's a hint at a solution

O7

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