Horizons Getting really depressed.....

[Jeffers]

I know, there are loads of rage quit posts, but mine is more of I just can't cope any more.....
My main focus has been on exploring, got to Elite after a couple of very long trips.
Did a fair bit of trading, now at Broker.
Not too interested in combat, made it to Expert just alongside everything else.
Been trying a bit of mining, and twice now I've been blown out of the sky by NPCs that I've had no chance against.
So it's about 14 million of insurance and I'm thinking that I can't go on any more....
I mean, come on, it's only supposed to be a game, but we're stuck with this universe we all share that has stupidly powerful NPCs roaming about.
Just fed up and depressed.... been having a really good time but it's getting too much at the moment, time for a break, I think.

 

[goemon]

if it is time for a break, it is time for a break.

i personally mine in a clipper these days - run out any npc pirates. or an orca. something fast. the spawning mechanics around mining a really ... lazy.

anyway, fly safe!

 

[Privata]

Thats how a dynamic universe works.

The game is not about serving the players or making you feel like the best of the best.

Instead you have to work out and adapt to the situations infront of you.

No situation is unavoidable , the AI as it stands is not hard , infact I would argue its broken.

Calling it ''just a game'' is like calling the mona lisa ''just a painting'' or shakespeare ''just working class drama''
You are ment to feel as if you are in a universe like elite and make your own path.

Some make it , most dont. ''even I get boarded sometimes''

I dont get why because its ''a game'' it should become some egoshooter or zen game.
Its ment to be elite , not some ubisoft game.

What type of ship are you using? if the game is throwing to much at you , maybe its time to downgrade ship into something more affordable.
Elite is about adaptation

 

[Dan Dare]

I got the same way about a month ago. Flying an A spec Annie and getting pursued by the same NPC, even after he killed me twice already was just too much to bear. Played NMS lol and realised how poor the game play was in that, but just could not bring myself back to ED. Well, downloaded the Gaurdians beta today and optimistic as ever, hoping for a joyous experience when I boot it up. RL has been an obstacle, but frankly the real obstacle has been getting slapped around while trying to grind for obscure upgrades I know I need but don't really understand. I know, git gud, use the tools that are out there, man up, etc.
Guess I will have some fun in the beta then downgrade to a cheaper ship anyway looking forward to getting out there again

 

[Winterwalker]

Mining is quite a tough life in the game but I think also feels very genuine. The pirates don't always let you do what you want to do but personally I really like it ; At times very Zen, with cool views and a floating sensation and then, I may be loaded up with gold .. but I'll still take on an attacker, and cash in a bounty or three. A miner I think should fight back.

 

[rrobes]

I know, there are loads of rage quit posts, but mine is more of I just can't cope any more.....
My main focus has been on exploring, got to Elite after a couple of very long trips.
Did a fair bit of trading, now at Broker.
Not too interested in combat, made it to Expert just alongside everything else.
Been trying a bit of mining, and twice now I've been blown out of the sky by NPCs that I've had no chance against.
So it's about 14 million of insurance and I'm thinking that I can't go on any more....
I mean, come on, it's only supposed to be a game, but we're stuck with this universe we all share that has stupidly powerful NPCs roaming about.
Just fed up and depressed.... been having a really good time but it's getting too much at the moment, time for a break, I think.

The game is biased towards combat and it is designed to force you to use the engineers. Use it to your advantage.

You need to use a ship that will trade but also take on anything that comes your way. If you have the CR my suggestion is to purchase a Python, do the engineers (they are not as difficult as they were) mod your ship (thrusters, weapons, shields, FSD). The lower mods are easily achievable and you will get to a point were you look forward to interdictions, extra CR. As I write this I just blasted an elite Anaconda for a 100k CR bounty, given, I am in my fully mod Corvette (I also have a fully mod Python and a basically unarmed Ananconda for long range exploration/trading). Almost all of my CR capital has come from bounty hunting; it is the the fastest way to raise cash and rank up in combat.

It takes time, I have 1700+ hrs over 7+ months and did the Fed grind for the rank. But what I have done is nothing special, anyone can do it.

 

[Alex Brentnall]

If/when you come back try pristine mining.

Its like mining but you explore your way to a ring out in the black, mine it with no NPC's around then return to sell the data and the materials. Just gotta watch the interdictions on your return run and all is well. Fit a fast or defended ship and you should be good to escape any would be pirates

 

[zimms]

Learn from your mistakes. NPCs aren't overpowered, you are doing something wrong.

If you want to go mining, try an unmarked location somewhere in a ring. You don't have to go to a RES. If you do that, 1 pirate will probably jump in with you and scan you. Just wait until the scan is finished (cargo hold empty) and only then start mining. No risk at all.

 

[Deleted member 38366]

Old rules of the road :
- enter Mining Location
- HOLD Position (do not enter Mass-lock of the belt) OR Afterburn away from the nearest unresolved Contact
- scan who's coming to say hello (you know some NPCs usually will)
- make up your mind (Fight for your right to mine there or leave and try again)
- structurally vulnerable Mining Rigs benefit from another Player escorting at least for the initial run-in

Works like a charm.
Oh, I did manage to throw away a perfectly good, Mil-Grade Mining Corvette vs. 3 Pythons. Didn't expect all of them to be Plasma-junkies.
That was a tad more than 17M, but still a good lesson learned

Other than that...
Don't have to love RNGineers - but love what they can (eventually) do for your Ship. RNG misery aside, they'll restore "the old balance". If you own Horizons, that is. If not - you have my sympathy.

 

[GodBlock]

Time for a break cmdr!

Come back in a couple of weeks when youre feeling fresh

 

[furrycat]

- enter Mining Location
- HOLD Position (do not enter Mass-lock of the belt) OR Afterburn away from the nearest unresolved Contact
- scan who's coming to say hello (you know some NPCs usually will)
- make up your mind (Fight for your right to mine there or leave and try again)

Excellent advice and I think most people would recognise that type of situation as being tough but fair. The player who decided to stay and mine even though there were contacts in the area, and then got shot down, would hopefully move past the frustration of losing his cargo and rebuy and accept that he had made a mistake.

Sometimes, however, the game doesn't play by its own rules.

Almost always when mining I will see that if no NPCs appear within a minute or two I will have the area to myself for as long as I'm there. That is thematically appropriate. We know that ships can drop on your wake for a short period, after which it disappears. We also know that mining rings cover a massive area and it's statistically extremely unlikely that a pirate would stumble across your position at random.

Yet on more than one occasion I've been mining in peace, lost connection and immediately after logging back in found a pirate magically appear. One time that happened to me in a T9. Mass-locked by the ring I had no chance of jumping away. Complying with the pirate's demands to drop cargo - more, indeed, than his ship was actually capable of carrying, did not dissuade him from blowing up my ship.

That is the type of situation that prompts threads like these.

 

[Toumal]

Wanna wing up sometime? I'd be happy to fly security detail for ya!

 

[xondk]

I know, there are loads of rage quit posts, but mine is more of I just can't cope any more.....
My main focus has been on exploring, got to Elite after a couple of very long trips.
Did a fair bit of trading, now at Broker.
Not too interested in combat, made it to Expert just alongside everything else.
Been trying a bit of mining, and twice now I've been blown out of the sky by NPCs that I've had no chance against.
So it's about 14 million of insurance and I'm thinking that I can't go on any more....
I mean, come on, it's only supposed to be a game, but we're stuck with this universe we all share that has stupidly powerful NPCs roaming about.
Just fed up and depressed.... been having a really good time but it's getting too much at the moment, time for a break, I think.

I understand it is frustrating, but I have to ask, what kind of fit were you flying?
NPC's aren't really stupidly powerful, but they can feel such if your fit is sub par, a thing I've seen people that don't want to do combat do, is just have a weak shield or none at all, on their trading ship and nothing more, no shield boosters or such, and then get upset when they are blown up, that isn't the games fault really, you need to remember you 'can' be attacked by NPC's and plan accordingly, if you do not, then yeah.

But take a break and come back, sometimes stuff just reaches a peak and you need to take a break, there's no problem with that.

 

[Trinity Star]

The little mining I have done I found when you drop into a ring there's always some pirates about that scan you, I wait until they do then let them move off and jump out before starting to mine anything they tend not to return.

 

[jasonbarron]

OP, instead of writing a post about how you're just going to lay there and let the NPC's kick you, why don't you try to ask some questions about what you're doing "wrong" that is resulting in your demise? Because most assuredly you are doing something wrong. I suspect that whilst out focusing on earning your Master's degree at exploration, you are still in Kindergarden with respects to basic survival strategies and properly outfitting your ship for surviving hostility. Try posting your specs and a detailed blow by blow of the circumstances, and do it in Dangerous Discussion where you'll have a much wider range of responses. If you open your mind a bit, you'll be pleasantly surprised at how much you can learn, and by learning these new skills the game will be transformed for you...that is if you really want to learn and get better.

 

[mbs357]

I can't think of the last game I played where I absolutely had to flee from an area. I really appreciate that in Elite.

 

[Red Anders]

The little mining I have done I found when you drop into a ring there's always some pirates about that scan you, I wait until they do then let them move off and jump out before starting to mine anything they tend not to return.

Exactly that. Drop in, let the derps come and say hello; as long as you only have limpets on board they won't attack. Boost about 20km away once they've scanned you and mine, you'll never see them again.

I don't run a shield on my mining Python and I've never lost it.

 

[lifeschool-amiga]

Yes, use and Asp or something big like a Python or larger, if you head away from the mining zones and just come in very slowly over some other part of the ring, you will drop out with only 1 NCP, who may be security. If they open fire, either run away or blow it up. Then you have the whole field to yourself for hours.

 

[Codger]

Yet on more than one occasion I've been mining in peace, lost connection and immediately after logging back in found a pirate magically appear. One time that happened to me in a T9. Mass-locked by the ring I had no chance of jumping away. Complying with the pirate's demands to drop cargo - more, indeed, than his ship was actually capable of carrying, did not dissuade him from blowing up my ship.

That is the type of situation that prompts threads like these.

There is clearly logic in the code that spawns NPCs when you change instances. Dropping into the ring creates a new intance, so NPCs show up. Then as long as you stay, you're good, no more NPCs. But if you log off or lose connection and then log back in...new instance, and NPCs spawn. That's what creates this unfortunate behavior. It needs some TLC for sure.

 

[CGI_Artist]

Why does no one mention the fact that after you drop into a ring, you can fly away from the (spawn area)? Just fly 25km or so, away from any distant blips you see and then you can mine as long as you like without NPC interruption. You're right that the NPC's, is some cases, are way overpowered. It seems counter intuitive, but if you're interdicted, and want to get away, submitting and then jumping as soon as possible usually improves your chances of escape.