I've had the same thing happen in conflict zones where other players are present. There just aren't enough targets to go around for a large number of players in a single CZ instance. Inevitably someone will get the last shot on a kill and get the combat bond. Other players will, inevitably, get upset because the other guy "stole their kill". Some of these players decide that the best strategy is to chase other players out of the Combat Zone to reduce competition. The best way to do this is to fly between another player and his target forcing the unwanted player to "turn hostile" to all factions in the combat zone. Player then has to exit the zone and come back in. Do this enough times and the player will either give up or go into solo/private group.
getting 'teamkilled' by Clippers at CGs
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the people who do this are prats but please, do not tar all clipper pilots with the same brush.... I never deliberately mess with other peoples games no matter what ship I am in.... and am in my clipper at the mo
...Point is, Mobius is friendly
Indeed. My kind of gaming environment.
Stay in open and just have a different system to jump to setup when you enter the CZ - when all around you goes red then U, J, tab, tab tab (4 pips to eng or sys as is your preference)
Just watch your fire, you can see them just as much as they see you.
To be honest, 99.9% of all CZs I've been in we quickly agree that if there is a friendly fire CMDR in red we let them go - a quick check in contacts soon shows which faction they are in to confirm.
All the fun of open.
If there are other players at a CZ and they aren't in a wing with you I find it much safer for them to be on the other side.
As far as clippers purposefully flying in front of you for you to shoot them, the clipper is a fast ship, if you are going slower than other players they will get in front of you, and because you are all following the same target your vectors will converge.
I prefer getting in to point blank range if I'm firing some cannons to make sure they hit. Try to use your thrusters to keep yourself at a different angle than the "friendlies" around you.
As far as clippers purposefully flying in front of you for you to shoot them, the clipper is a fast ship, if you are going slower than other players they will get in front of you, and because you are all following the same target your vectors will converge.
I prefer getting in to point blank range if I'm firing some cannons to make sure they hit. Try to use your thrusters to keep yourself at a different angle than the "friendlies" around you.
the people who do this are prats but please, do not tar all clipper pilots with the same brush.... I never deliberately mess with other peoples games no matter what ship I am in.... and am in my clipper at the mo
Yeah, true, it's not the Clipper's fault- you're disreputable whatever you're flying
The only thing rash in here was your comment.
8000 like minded commanders? It just sounds so artifical and fake to me, i don't think i could think of a worse way to experience the game. Much the same reasoning as the weary and tiresome argument about why a pvp private group isn't successful. I am an advocate of open because i like the fact i don't know what to expect sometimes, especially when dealing with other players. Not often, but sometimes, as interactions aren't that common. Yet, there are no end of dull and repetitive PVE games around, this game is rare in the fact it is truly open world, however limited that world is at the moment. If people want to limit themselves even further within that, then that's their perogative. Each to their own. I have no issue there.
My point is, and what does annoy me, is this. Every time there is any kind of discussion about things that happen in open, where there always will be some kind of shennanigans, someone pops up touting mobius like their life depends on it. Its like a party political broadcast droning on. It reeks of desperation every time i see it, because i see it so often.
Its almost like the mobius players simply cant understand why they only have 8000 members, or why everyone doesn't see what they feel is the ideal game conditions, beyond any pvp desires. Which is of course, the "go to" line for strong PVE advocates. Actually yes everyone knows about it, more than they know about any other group, because half the people who relentlessly prowl these forums have it plastered all over their signature. If they don't somehow know about it and feel inclined to join a private group, of any nature, there is a whole sub forum dedicated to said groups. It is not hidden, or hard to find, it is quite simple. If someone wants to. Thats the crux of it.
I'm not a pvp fan, and i'm not a pve fan, i'm an open world fan. As are many others i suspect, which is why you only have 8000 members signed up to your rulebook for how an open world environment should be. Enjoy your group, and let open players enjoy theirs. Out of interest, do many people come over to the mobius thread and constantly advertise open mode every time something causes a discussion over there?
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Seems a bit "open vs group vs solo" threadish now, and that wasn't the OPs point. There are unsavoury elements in Open, but that's by FAR the exception over the rule, and it does spice things up a bit around populated space, even if rammers and idiots can cost you an insurance claim (I've now got more ramming dents than sun-spot scars on my ship, and neither has made me explode yet!) Newcomers, however, might find Mobius the place to learn the game properly?
I'm sorry but I can't make heads or tails of your post. You are arguing against your own points in my opinion.
But to summarize my opinion: I will be posting my opinions whether you like them or not. I won't be telling you what you should or should not post.
Fly safe.
Every thread about something happening in open, be it getting interdicted or not getting a thankyou for flying on the right side at a station, get comments from the mobius crowd saying that doesn't happen with our players, come join us.
Then it turns into open vs group, then why solo is cheating.
You want to play in a group thats fine, but mentioning mobius all the time seems like feeding the troll in every thread.
Sure, but I think what people are trying to explain is that it gets real old real fast to hear the same droning non-specified mantra about Mobius. The OP had a question: what can you do when confronted with X. Saying 'you should stay in bed because it is nice and warm there and you'll never encounter X.' may be true, but it isn't the answer to the question. Again: Nothing wrong with being in Mobius or solo, but there is nothing wrong with playing Open either. And some of us Open players would appreciate if we could discuss Open-gameplay occassionally without the Mobious recruitment tape playing in the background.
Sure, but I think what people are trying to explain is that it gets real old real fast to hear the same droning non-specified mantra about Mobius. The OP had a question: what can you do when confronted with X. Saying 'you should stay in bed because it is nice and warm there and you'll never encounter X.' may be true, but it isn't the answer to the question. Again: Nothing wrong with being in Mobius or solo, but there is nothing wrong with playing Open either. And some of us Open players would appreciate if we could discuss Open-gameplay occassionally without the Mobious recruitment tape playing in the background.
I hear you. But two things; playing in a private group isn't the same as staying in bed in my book
, and I'm not telling anyone not to play in Open. I'm suggesting what they could do if they experience problems while in Open.But someone is telling me not to post about groups, and like it or not, I'll be continuing to post my opinions, not what others think I should.
I wish people would stop telling others what they should and should not post. It's embarrassing.
I can disagree with you, but I will never tell you what you should or should not post. Simple as that.
Fly safe.
There's a very small but very visible a reported set of players who gain enjoyment from the irritation of others, often by using the game mechanics in ways that I don't think are really intended. The station rammers in Leesti being a good example. The more they make you lose, the happier they are. It's unfortunate and not pleasant when you encounter them but from my experience the majority are friendly, or at least play with a certain sense of sportsmanship.
Combat zones can be a bit of a furball and I've accidentally flown in front of others as they have me. It happens. Personally I don't care if other people join me in attacking targets, we're all working towards the same goal and if I'm that fussed about credits then I'll go elsewhere and do something else.
From the OP this seems to be intentional but it's only common from the point of view of the small section doing it a lot. Take note of their names, know better for future and if you're 100% certain they're doing it intentionally then mark them down as Kill on sight.
Combat zones can be a bit of a furball and I've accidentally flown in front of others as they have me. It happens. Personally I don't care if other people join me in attacking targets, we're all working towards the same goal and if I'm that fussed about credits then I'll go elsewhere and do something else.
From the OP this seems to be intentional but it's only common from the point of view of the small section doing it a lot. Take note of their names, know better for future and if you're 100% certain they're doing it intentionally then mark them down as Kill on sight.
Yep, couldn't agree more. TBH, the irritating thing about the station rammers and 'station respawn killers' - a wing of guys (vultures the current trend for cheap rebuy) that attack you in or just outside the station, and if any of them die, they come straight back out of the station (fines paid) and tag team bigger and better players to death, is that they probably do their serious play in solo mode and just pop up to troll the multi player world.
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You can't make heads or tails of it? Lol, sure. Arguing against my own points? Great smokescreen. Care to mention why? Not being funny mate, but you were the one who got all uptight and personal about it, and twisted my use of the word crap as if i was saying that mobius was crap. Which i wasn't by the way. Also mentioning rashes and stuff, like a badass. Now you don't want to discuss it. Typical mobius attitude i guess.
Ok so at least answer this one question;
Do people from open play regularly come to the mobius forum telling people to come and play in open mode?
Fly safe as well.
Pulling this back roughly to the topic from the OP. Whilst I haven't explicitly experienced the exact issue you refer to, I have had some issues (not all player caused to be fair, I'm in Australia, so a lot can be attributed to lag when joining cross planet groups!). My technique to save my sanity is to see if anyone appears to have a similar gripe to me and then form a private group. Yes it's not open, but there is still interaction and we get fun from it so that's good. Failing that I will resort to solo if I have more fun that way. I have also had issues where station campers want to ram me when I come home to cash in. I don't experience any fun in that so I have been known to do the CZ in open and switch to solo to dock on those occasions.
The above works for me, your mileage may vary!
The above works for me, your mileage may vary!
You can't understand his post because of your PVE blindness. He makes perfect sense.
Like you he is entitled to his opinion and it is a opinion many of us agree with and you can see the increased sediment everyday.
If the PVE demand is so strong why is a core group still trying to recruit every chance they get???
The Clipper is a very massive ship and does not stop on a dime. It's also not uncommon for Clipper pilots in a CZ to be a little reckless, because any NPC ship (and most CMDR ships) they bump into will get the worst of it.
A fully padded combat Clipper can often destroy a maxed out Viper via ramming without losing more than half a ring of shields, especially if the Clipper is running four pips in SYS and you are not. The ship has nearly quadruple your shield strength and seven fold the mass of a Viper...you do not want to be hit by something like this unless you are in solidly equipped FDL, Python, Anaconda, or another equally tough Clipper. Three ship lengths is plenty of time to get to 200m/s+ with boost.