Horizons Geysers and the lack of.

[CMDR MadRaptor]

I have been out recently and touched down on several planets that said they had geysers. Major and minor. Well.......if you don't have them in the game why say that you do?

I see it this way.
If you can scan the planet for materials that it contains then geysers would be REALLY easy to see. I mean they shoot material OFF of the planet. OUT of the planet. Wouldn't that be easy to see?
Why would it take you 3 REAL TIME days to find a geyser on one potato????

I have YET to see one in the game, AND I spend ALOT of time on planets.

Are they really in the game?

Yes, many times yes they are in the game. And while, yes in real life some geysers can shoot material off planet, this is not real life. It can not simulate every aspect of real life to the T. However, they have made some of these site quite impressive with jets that shoot up pretty far and can send your SRV equally as high. Some tips, keep your searches to low radius planets. These sites are very small, but quite large really, but in relation to the planet yes they are very tiny and easy to miss. To help narrow searches it wise to limit the search area, correct. At least until better tools come around for searching the much larger bodies.

Why must Frontier turn EVERYTHING into some sort of convoluted Easter Egg Hunt? [rolleyes] [wacky] [wacko]

You are totally correct in assuming that a CRYOVOLCANO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryovolcano) on an "Airless / Low Gravity" planetary body would generate plumes visible from orbit! These would not be this hard to find in real life, yet Frontier seems to delight in going out of it's collective way to make points of interest like this as easy to find as the proverbial Unicorn!

STOP IT FRONTIER! [sulk]

The only times I have ever seen these new additions to the game was during the Beta test cycle when we were all out there trying to hunt these down. Those who managed to stumble on them would post the coordinates so that the rest of us could go there and see them for ourselves. At the time, we all fully expected that when the game actually released, these cool geological features would be visible from space or at the very least a LOW ORBIT altitude. We assumed that all we would need to do was to determine via the System Map/Planetary Body Details that a particular body had Volcanism listed, and it would be all downhill from there.

Its all downhill from there, but not in the good way! In my personal experience, just because a planet is listed as having Volcanism in no way equates to you ever seeing a single instance of such features even if you spent an entire session flying around at low altitude, landing at POIs and actually driving the SRV here and there as you used the Thrusters to get a better vantage point for your ultimately fruitless search!

I think you guys can tell from my comments and my attitude regarding this feature that I have never actually found a field of active Geysers on my own. It wasn't due to a lack of trying I assure you! I am almost embarrassed to say exactly how much real time I have actually wasted since the release of 2.2 trying to find these things!

I have since given up and because of all the tedium I now associate with these things, I am no longer interested in any of this.

Just like so many other new features I was really looking forward to interacting with, active Volcanism as presented in Elite Dangerous is an EPIC FAIL! Because it doesn't matter how cool you make these look and behave (they do look cool and add much to surface exploration) if you can't bloody find them in a reasonable period of time using only "IN-GAME" resources, then what the heck is the point?

EPIC FAIL!

Haha, wow, first while the thought did go around in beta, and hopes, in the end I think we all realized that we would NOT be able to see these from space or low orbit, and that is not a deal breaker. Not everything in the GAME can mimic the REAL WORLD.
Secondly, As for peoples ability to find these things, we do need better tools but if you just limit your search criteria you will have no problem finding these thing.

1. 500 radius or below, I can even see going 800 radius below but that's pushing it. This ensures a small enough area for these sites to pop up rather close to eachother.
2. Very limited stand out geological features. You don't want an icy planet that's huge and has lots of canyons and craters. High posiblity of missing a site on something that big with that many possible locations. Those with minimal features mean that you have a better chance of finding a site each time you drop in to investigate said canyon.
3. Back to landscapes to look for, I find, dark, deep and windy canyons are great or canyons with a big open area in between them. Look around either the canyon walls or somewhere along the outside edges of the canyon.

As for going to a planet someone else points me to..no thanks. The point behind a GALAXY is finding things on your own not led by your nose ring to a tourist site. moooooooo.

So...do the blue POI indicate geysers or not?

I will check out the cow forum post that leads by hand on how to locate geysers but my point was to find out if every planet that shows minor or major geysers actually have geysers?

Does every planet that shows geysers have geysers?

The thread does not lead you by the hand on how to locate these, since we are still discovering the best way, but it does give you great tips as well as the most improtant thing. A chance to go find these sites. Once you visited a few you'll get the idea of the type of landscape they are being found, the type of planets and just what they look like when approaching. It's best to have drop a few bits before the site so when they generate you get an idea of what finding an unknown site would be like.

Either way calling these features an epic fail is completely wrong! A fail would be if they didn't exist at all but were said to be in there, or if when they were generated it was just one geyser or fumarole and that was it not the patches we get or the intensity we have. I can deal with not being able to see them from space because when you do finally find one of your own it makes all the time searching worth it.

I agree are tools need to be better and until that time we just need to do a little filtering of our searches.

AGAIN

LOW RADIUS, SWEET SPOT: 500 or below
Rocky/Rocky-Ice worlds are best
Canyons, deep, dark, miscolored and windy.

Don't spend all day in one area. You should notice within the first couple of minutes wether your location is suitable or not, if nothing appears in that time, jump back out find a new spot and repeat process.

Using this criteria, I found three sites on the same planet within an hour.

 

[CMDR MadRaptor]

This is why I posted originally. This needs to be mentioned more often. Having the planet description say it has geysers and there are not any is a BIG problem to me.

How much time has been waisted on looking for geysers???? Hundreds of hours ,Thousands of hours???? If they are not on every planet then do not put it in the description.

I was not asking one fanboy if he has seen geysers before. I wasnt checking to see if there were any guides to the nearest tourist site. I want to know why hundreds of people are wasting hours of valuable game time?

My opinion.
Geysers are not proceduraly generated. They are putting them in by hand or individually and they started at the bubble first.

Whats the farthermost system out that anyone has found geysers?

Those planet's that say they have them so have them. But you've got to consider the side of the planet and the size of the sites. Let alone the limitations of the engine to how many sites a planet can hold. They are there but the bigger planet's will take time. Just like in real life. We know where they are in our own planet but if we were to go out to some random planet with no maps it would take some time to find causes there. Again they are out there. Don't get upset that you can find a pin in a haystack of a planet. Try making that haystack a tiny tiny pile and you'll be more lucky.

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This is why I posted originally. This needs to be mentioned more often. Having the planet description say it has geysers and there are not any is a BIG problem to me.

How much time has been waisted on looking for geysers???? Hundreds of hours ,Thousands of hours???? If they are not on every planet then do not put it in the description.

I was not asking one fanboy if he has seen geysers before. I wasnt checking to see if there were any guides to the nearest tourist site. I want to know why hundreds of people are wasting hours of valuable game time?

My opinion.
Geysers are not proceduraly generated. They are putting them in by hand or individually and they started at the bubble first.

Whats the farthermost system out that anyone has found geysers?

Also. They are not hand placed. With how many we've found and there locations it just doesn't seem logical to hand place them all. I believe they are genrated by the stellar forge

 

[CMDR MadRaptor]

Use sightseeing missions to go to geysers. That way you can find them bookmarked. It's not worth looking them otherwise now.

This is wrong. It is worth looking fornyiubkust need to look smart. People want to know how to find these but when we tell you how to find them people complain or say they don't want to be hand held to these sites. Well you can't always have what you want.

Again this is not a waste of time. They are great features and when searching with the right parameters they can be easily and quickly found. Some still take time but not as much as some have said if you narrow your llanets down to smaller sizes and fewer features.

 

[Apache45]

60,0000 light years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is that far enough for you?

You think they hand placed that just for one commander to find?

Read. The. Fumarole. And. Geyser. Thread.

I give in, totally pointless replying to this thread.

Totally.

I FOUND A SET. 2400 Ly out. It was prob the ...15th planet that looked for them.
At first I looked from SRV. A waist of time.
Then I started doing the fly over and visually look for them thing. Another waist of time.
Then I started just looking for POI on the "in ship" scanner. That took 2 planets before I found a Very small POI on the radar at about 800 km up in the fighter. All i did then was nose over and immediately saw them from that high up. They stood out really well.
I tested how high I could go before loosing them and I stopped at 5000k and STILL could see them. The POI was for the crystals and metals all around it I suppose... idk.

BUT I found some.

The devaluation came with his first response to the post. I care not. I only wanted a discussion on the subject, not a short burst of super knowledge from one person and a dismissal like I was waisting his time.

 

[varonica]

The devaluation came with his first response to the post. I care not. I only wanted a discussion on the subject, not a short burst of super knowledge from one person and a dismissal like I was waisting his time.

You were because every question you asked was answered and the answer was also in the geyser and fumarole thread,and if you had read that you would have known in advance not to look using an SRV, what height to fly at for best results. And yet I still came here an answered your questions until you became downright insulting. Knowledge is what you needed, you asked questions, you were given answers, then you decided your opinion was superior to many weeks of hard won understanding, not a good demonstration of how to make friends!

Yes, but if you land on a planet 20,000klm in radius you have possibly three maybe 100 square meter targets in a 5billion square kilometer area to search.

Keep to targets 500klm radius or smaller, fly along between 2 and 4klms above the surface checking canyons and depressions, also set radar on max and watch out for small POI's. Rinse and repeat until you find some.

Read the geysers and fumarole thread in the exploration sub-forum.

cant see any thing wrong with that first post, supplies information about the best way and places to search and directs you to a valuable resource for further information, I'm not the one causing the problems here.

 

[Apache45]

Thanks to everyone that posted. They (geysers) are VERY difficult to find for some and easy for others.
I will tell you that if you dont give up and keep searching it will be a little worth it. Its like the engineer mats, just play all the other parts of the game and bend your gameplay to landing on planets that say it has geysers.
I will try to post pics here.

Stay calm and play what makes you happy, not what brings you glory.

Fly sane Cmdrs.