Good news for ED from FD stock trade report as usual

Horizons isn't the same though. It's essentially pre-orders. The expansion isn't finished. Hasn't it been commented that it's essentially differed sales.

Anyhoo, since they are obviously tweaking and adapting a strategy of trying to make base game sales appealing to new customers while selling new shiny stuff at a premium rate to the core fans I certainly have no expectation that Horizon sales will be anywhere near as large as the initial release of 1.0. I'm fairly sure that Frontier are not blithering idiots and understood that not every person that bought an ED 1.0 unit is going to run out to purchase Horizons, if they have everything riding on that strategy then I doubt they'd have survived 25 years in the UK games industry.
 
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People leave the game and people also come back. There's no law to say everyone has to play Elite 24/7 without break. Many people play on and off, or come back and play after each update......

I confess to NOT playing EVERY day.
 
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/market-news/market-news-detail/FDEV/12793328.html

Nutshell:
Despite still not cashing in EDH sales (deterred income, moved to 2016 financial year) and PC going trough alpha, 9M net cash, no credit lines, and 1M sales for PC alpha.

Looks good :cool:

Glad you're not looking after my investments. Look closer: net cash reported is only £8.9M down from the reported £10.5M in May 2015. They're burning through their cash. They're not growing. And this is with £1M in Alpha sales of Roller Coaster which is likely all cash. This is not a healthy sign by any means. But dream what you like. You're probably the type of investor I make money from :)
 
Glad you're not looking after my investments. Look closer: net cash reported is only £8.9M down from the reported £10.5M in May 2015. They're burning through their cash. They're not growing. And this is with £1M in Alpha sales of Roller Coaster which is likely all cash. This is not a healthy sign by any means. But dream what you like. You're probably the type of investor I make money from :)

When a company releases a product they make cash on the initial sales which goes into the bank. They don't just make more and more cash all the time. They invest back into development. This isn't just how games companies work, it's typical in pretty much every product industry.
 
I think its fair to say sales of ED have slowed and that Horizons probably hasn't sold as well as hoped. It's very apparent that there is a shift towards making the game play more obvious to the player so they maximise the content better. However PC already looks like its going to sell. They already have around 20K of sales at alpha with almost universal positive approval from anyone who has played it. Fun product in a space that history says has always been popular should ensure they do well. I anticipate a million sales in the first six months and I wouldn't be surprised if it was much more than that.
 
Are we looking at different share prices?? the Frontier Developments plc shareprice FDEV according to Google today is -15.00(-6.82%).
A novice investor that doesn't know anything about investing might look at this and think now, or next week would be a really good time to buy. And about a week after 2.1 drops would be a good time to sell.

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i am no market analyst but net cash 8.9mil with no overdraft sounds like a decent place to be to me!.**

Hopefully Frontier are able to use the technology in planet coaster in elite dangerous, (and vice versa) to mean the more games they create the more "stuff" they get to pad out all their games which will make them more cost efficient.

** that being said I suppose it does depend on the number of people in the company

50 people pulling an average wage of say 30k plus material expenses and property rental costs will soon eat through money I suppose so they need to keep at it ;)

(I take it there is no way of knowing how many developers they have working on ED and on PC in total is there?)
Mad Mike, The annual report contains the answers to all your questions. <- link. It's dry reading of course, but has interesting bits.

I'm not opening the link to look again (I'll read the 2016 one though). But IIRC as of 2015 reporting, there were 128 staff working on ED out of 248 or so. Since PC is in development that means about 128 working on Planet Coaster as well. Although probably that is not 100% accurate, close enough for a forum post and without reviewing the annual report again.

Cash in the bank is nice, yes. However, cash-flow is king. It seems FD have drawn from savings since the last annual report- but that could be accounting jiggery-pokery or my memory might be slightly off on the 2015 total. In any event it is part of transitioning from working for publishers to having more than one franchise/ game to sell to keep cash flow more steady. During development of ED they ran a loss as they ramped down some contract development for other studios without any product to replace the income until ED was released.

Cash flow is king because if costs exceed receipts then savings must be spent. That is not where any business wants to be although some have cyclical +/- trends and other complications.

I agree PC looks great and the last coaster game FD made was still making money after 10-years. So PC made a lot of sense for franchise #2, and could have a greater effect on the books than ED (which is a bit niche).

ED "paid back" the cost of its development, which FD invested into Planet Coaster. ED has since been sustained on its own cash flow but importantly has sustained development of PC as well.

I would love to see ED be able to "keep" more of its own revenue once PC launches and starts bringing in buckets of money. Or, even better, for PC to 'pay back ED' for some of its development costs in turn. The result to hire a few more staff for targeted ED development activities. This is of course nonsense from a management point of view; I am just thinking as a huge ED fan that has never played a coaster game I would love all ED revenue to go back to ED, some PC revenue to go towards ED, etc. :D

End of the day, healthy FD with several successful franchises is a better FD with better prospect to continue developing ED than a "one trick pony"; for a variety of boring reasons. [up]

And, don't forget, as soon as PC is released (or sooner), FD will announce a third major "franchise". My bet is a Zoo Tycoon type game (just for fun), but only FD knows for sure.:x
 
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Glad you're not looking after my investments. Look closer: net cash reported is only £8.9M down from the reported £10.5M in May 2015. They're burning through their cash. They're not growing. And this is with £1M in Alpha sales of Roller Coaster which is likely all cash. This is not a healthy sign by any means. But dream what you like. You're probably the type of investor I make money from :)

Sure, 1.6M for company who spends almost 8 times more for their wages is "burning" trough their cash, and EDH sales deffered. But yeah, they aren't growing. Find some other game to hate.

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And, don't forget, as soon as PC is released (or sooner), FD will announce a third major "franchise". My bet is a Zoo Tycoon type game (just for fun), but only FD knows for sure.:x

Do they really have third one? I don't remember if there were any reference.
 

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There has been mention of a third game after Planet Coaster, but I wouldn't know where to find the reference I'm afraid.
 
...Do they really have third one? I don't remember if there were any reference.

Ooh great baseless speculation time.... a Cobra engined Star Wars game, with planet surfaces dotted with PCoaster tech settlements with rich lighting, buildings and ambient life... pretty please... can you imagine the sound design alone.... ooh, quick nurse, the screens!
 
You are entitled to your opinion, but remember it's just that.

Bordline insult, cmdr. I did not claim to have facts, just empirical data.

People leave the game and people also come back. There's no law to say everyone has to play Elite 24/7 without break. Many people play on and off, or come back and play after each update. That's just player habits, not some divine sign of failure.

Players NOT playing a game for 6, 9 or 12 months is NOT a sign of success. Especially when a game tries to live on a 10 yr plan, financed by people PLAYING a game then BUYING season passes. Get my point?

I'm certain that I'll be here in another nine years replying to another doom sayer, telling us with great authority how Frontier got it wrong.

With all given respect, but this game costs a lot to improve it as every software project does. I am still waiting for the FACTS about how many season passes (horizon) were sold. As the 1.n series is not in for serious development and large flocks of players don't play it for long, it's the 2.n series we're talking about. Next year it will be 3.n.

What we're talking about ist the number of dropouts NOT going to buy the next incarnation. Do you really think a player that ignores horizons will go for Mk 3?

I SINCERELY hope, engineers it giving the game the upgrade it didn't really get in december 2015 and I even more wish FD that all 1.n players upgrade then.

Keep in mind (sic!) that there's no proof the game's a financial success in the last months. There's no proof for the contrary, too. None of our business. All true.

What goes wrong here is that every time someone says something that's not "HAIL FDEV" in here, he gets beaten by the same people until he leaves.
 
Ha, is that not including the 73,000 players that have played in the last 2 weeks on steam.

I wish people would stop looking at concurrent daily players as steam stats for total daily players.

Meaning of concurrent: At the same time.

Yesterday there were roughly 3300 players playing at the same time on steam, this figure has nothing to do with the total amount of steam players in a day.

True, but the two week total back on December 20th last year was 161,375, and in October was 190,000 IIRC, so if it's now down to 73,000, well... The concurrent daily player number seemed to hover between 5k and 6k, and did for some time, so if that's down to 3300, well...

I'm sure people are just holding off till 1.6/2.1 drop. ;)
 
Glad you're not looking after my investments. Look closer: net cash reported is only £8.9M down from the reported £10.5M in May 2015. They're burning through their cash. They're not growing. And this is with £1M in Alpha sales of Roller Coaster which is likely all cash. This is not a healthy sign by any means. But dream what you like. You're probably the type of investor I make money from :)

LMAO, what? mate you need to read the numbers again, but if you think its bad, by all means be my guest and leave it for others. Meanwhile I have a small nice project for you, its called Star Citizen, I'm sure you can invest some money on that project, I heard they are looking for investors.
 
Ooh great baseless speculation time.... a Cobra engined Star Wars game, with planet surfaces dotted with PCoaster tech settlements with rich lighting, buildings and ambient life... pretty please... can you imagine the sound design alone.... ooh, quick nurse, the screens!

OOOOOh....Space Checkers! It's checkers only it's in space. Darn, I'm not very good at this.[sad]
 
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