graphical parameter : interlaced resolution

[DARGAN]

greeting,

it turned out that my computer crashes with forced reboot, only on this game, so I did my little investigation ; of course beyond the classic problems that causes a forced reboot of the system (defective RAM, overheating, old graphics driver ...)

and it turned out that I had checked 1920x1080 interlaced, to have the best graphic quality of course do not choose interlace.

but mostly seemingly intertwined on my PC occasionally cause system hangs and a forced restart without warning, why I do not know, in any case this option does not exist in many recent games that I play.

Interlaced is an aging process, used on older monitors, but apparently creates a serious instability of the system, in any case on mine.

my suggestion ? is simply remove this option probably useless for the vast majority of configurations, decadent option and outdated, or add information as follows : "may cause system instability on certain configuration", simply add security, rather than look for causes elsewhere or incite to incriminate the game for a risky graphical option.

unless it is related to synchronization or FPS choices with interlaced resolution, in any case there is surely way to secure this option.

thank you

 

[Kelster87]

Interlacing describes how the monitor displays the image on screen, it shouldn't cause a reboot - unless you have a video driver issue.

 

[Para Handy]

@DARGAN - Where in the Elite settings would you find this? I can't see it in my game. Isn't this something you set in your computer's display settings and so nothing to do with Elite?

 

[Kelster87]

@DARGAN - Where in the Elite settings would you find this? I can't see it in my game. Isn't this something you set in your computer's display settings and so nothing to do with Elite?

Under the 1920x1080 option in the Resolution drop down, I get an option for '1920x1080 INTERLACED'. I seem to have some permissions issues and can't upload a screenie right now..

 

[varonica]

Under the 1920x1080 option in the Resolution drop down, I get an option for '1920x1080 INTERLACED'. I seem to have some permissions issues and can't upload a screenie right now..

You can't upload images, you have to host them on something like imgur. Interlaced is available for people with two video cards, so each vid card produces consecutive lines in the display, removing it would render these setups basically useless.

 

[Kelster87]

You can't upload images, you have to host them on something like imgur. Interlaced is available for people with two video cards, so each vid card produces consecutive lines in the display, removing it would render these setups basically useless.

The issue was with permissions at my end.. Can't upload anything if I don't have access to the folder. The post itself was a response to @Para Handy. I was thinking it was for VR, hadn't thought of SLI/Xfire..

 

[Morbad]

The game just reports the resolutions exposed to it by the system/display driver. If you're plugged into a TV or a display intended to receive a TV signal, that would explain the resolution choice. The wrong monitor driver or a custom resolution could also expose interleaving.

Doesn't have anything to do with SLI/Crossfire...these do not require, and have no special support for, interlaced resolutions. The original SLI (scan line interleave) from 3DFX was essentially each card running one half of an interlaced resolution (every other scan line), but that hasn't been a thing for almost twenty years. NVIDIA's SLI is completely unrelated to this, and both NVIDIA SLI and ATI/AMD Crossfire have only ever used forms of SFR (split frame rendering, usually implying splitting each fram horizontally down the middle, but can also mean tile based methods) or AFR (alternate frame rendering where each card renders whole, alternating, frames). SFR is also largely obsolete and AFR has been the main multi-GPU rendering method for the last decade, because it's easiest as scales best (though it can produce frame time interval inconsistencies).

Newer API's (like D3D12) can also support a variety of mult-GPU rendering modes, but not interlaced scan lines.

 

[DARGAN]

in any case since I put 1920x1080 without interlace no more crashes, it is therefore a viable solution to avoid the freeze and automatic restart of the computer. I have a normal computer screen plugged into HDMI on a GTX980, driver up to date, all options by default.

 

[DARGAN]

Interlacing describes how the monitor displays the image on screen, it shouldn't cause a reboot - unless you have a video driver issue.

this is what surprises me, the graphics driver is up to date, no game poses a problem, however no other games in my collection offers interlaced resolution either, so video driver issue only for Elite Dangerous ? no i do not think so, this makes no sense.

 

[Kelster87]

It's not a bug, error or serious issue. Interlaced modes exist for TV's and CRT displays. It caused you a problem because you don't have a compatbile display - some of us do and would prefer the superior image quality an interlaced output gives on an interlaced display.

 

[Para Handy]

this is what surprises me, the graphics driver is up to date, no game poses a problem, however no other games in my collection offers interlaced resolution either, so video driver issue only for Elite Dangerous ? no i do not think so, this makes no sense.

As I said, it isn't offered in Elite for me. However I have enjoyed the illumination provided by the thread.


(Note to self - remember to click the "Post Reply" button when finishing typing - not one hour later when coming back to the thread! )

 

[DARGAN]

(Note to self - remember to click the "Post Reply" button when finishing typing - not one hour later when coming back to the thread! )

I did not understand well ! but it does not matter, maybe because I answered you late (I was hunting caribou ).

and so my suggestion would be for Frontier to do a little more thorough investigation on his side (not being a computer scientist), so do an investigation to put this problem in the clear, it is a graphic option that does not content to close the game brutally, but it freezes the PC entirely.

that's why I have a suggestion and not a bug report, just do not choose an interlaced resolution.. for future players, it would be a shame to put the game aside only for an inappropriate graphic option which in addition does not allow an optimal graphic quality.

 

[DARGAN]

It's not a bug, error or serious issue. Interlaced modes exist for TV's and CRT displays. It caused you a problem because you don't have a compatbile display - some of us do and would prefer the superior image quality an interlaced output gives on an interlaced display.

Yes that's exactly it.

The problem that I raise is the random character of the freezing of the PC (in any case on my configuration).

it must be known, it must be indicated in the graphical parameters, for an awareness that this parameter can cause instability of the system on certain configuration, she is here suggested to me, I put a good time to realize why sometimes ED happened to cause an entire restart of the PC.

I do not insist lol, that's why I opened this thread.. personally that a game causes a general blockage and a forced restart of the machine, I think it's serious (especially if I hope to play the game lol).

 

[Kelster87]

Yes that's exactly it.

The problem that I raise is the random character of the freezing of the PC (in any case on my configuration).

No, the problem is that it crashes your PC.

it must be known, it must be indicated in the graphical parameters, for an awareness that this parameter can cause instability of the system on certain configuration, she is here suggested to me, I put a good time to realize why sometimes ED happened to cause an entire restart of the PC.

Why must it be known? It's a simple mode change - which shouldn't cause a reset. Have you done a full reinstall of your OS and drivers? Do you have the dump file Windows would have created? Selecting a graphics mode your monitor can't display should not cause a reboot it should result in a black screen. The fact you get a reboot indicates there is something unstable or misconfigured in your PC.

I do not insist lol, that's why I opened this thread.. personally that a game causes a general blockage and a forced restart of the machine, I think it's serious (especially if I hope to play the game lol).

It's only serious to you, it's not actually a serious, widespread problem. I can switch to the Interlaced mode with no crash.. I just get a black screen for 30 seconds until the video driver resets.

Given the info you have supplied, I'd be doing a full clean and reinstall of your graphics card drivers before I blamed a single game - especially when other can't reproduce the problem.

 

[DARGAN]

in my opinion I am not the only one to whom this has happened, my PC is quite normal, and everything works fine.

certainly others are ripped off the hair with this option without knowing it, reinstalled everything, changed the RAM.. for nothing, only because of this graphic option.

and no I will not do a complete reinstallation of the system, people always come out with this kind of radical idea, whereas I simply do not choose interlaced resolution, which in addition reduces the graphic quality and ED works just like any other game, without freezing the PC.

it's good that you write that Kelster87, that's exactly why I opened this thread to avoid people to reinstall everything, change the graphics card and spend hours doing memory tests and dll files unnecessarily.

my only suggestion in reality is rather for Frontier, after a quick survey done by professionals, indicated in the game by a simple sentence the need to activate or not this option, and worried about the risk to the stability of some system.

 

[Kelster87]

You have a config issue. I, and many many others, can switch to Interlaced mode with no issues. I switch modes, my graphics card detects that my screen is not able to display that mode and resets to the previous settings. If you are getting a response other than that, you have a problem.

By all means, continue to blame ED for the issue if it makes you feel better, but ED is not the problem.

Given that you can reinstall Win10 without losing settings and apps, it's really not a huge thing - took me about 15 minutes to do last week. Simple, easy and fixed the sound issue I was having with OBS.

You can have your opinion, but it's technically and factually incorrect. I, and others, have attempted to explain the issue to you but you seem so sure of your position that it is pointless to continue this discussion. I guess having managed a couple of hundred Windows boxes for a living didn't teach me anything about it. If any of those boxes pulled a reset on a graphics mode change, it would be in for testing and possible re-imaging. But hey, your PC is just fine, right? It's ED's fault that a graphics mode change caused it to crash. I'll be over there with all the other experienced professionals who apprently don't have a clue and still get paid for it.

Good day to you, sir.

 

[DARGAN]

for my part I prefer to let the Frontier engineer determined if the default configuration of my NVIDIA graphics card is bad.. and determine if it is necessary to reinstall windows 10 to run an interlaced resolution that I would not use anyway.

yes i am sure of my position, my system is clean why reinstall it ?

 

[Kelster87]

I said, Good day to you, sir.

And hey, I've only been an admin for Windows desktops networks since 3.11 days, but I clearly know zero about the Windows environment. Off to the Ignore list for you.

 

[DARGAN]

you ignore me because I refuse to reinstall windows 10 ? no, I'm kidding, it's your right.

 

[Kelster87]

No, I'm going to ignore you because you've ignored the actual issue. I'm going to ignore you because you've attempted to 'catch' people out with a relevant, viable option in regards to the issue. I' going to Ignore you because you are nothing more than a troll.