Gravity, Our Ships, Water and my coffee

Mav359

Mav359
I need cleverer minds here.....

Im a big fan of the idea of our ships interiors and as others have pointed our if theres no gravity on the ships whats the point of having a coffee maker (theres a cup hanging next to one of them) let alone the idea of a kitchen or useable bathrrom or toilet

When we watch astronuats go into space we often see them chasing water around in zero-g so what does the gravity need to be to keep my coffee in the cup? is 0.05g enough? The moons gravity is around 0.166g is that enough to keep my coffee grounded (get it)

Im wondering if the story could be told that the mass of the ships and rotaional output from the drives were just enough that you wouldn't walk around with mag boots (as if you were on the moon) but that its just high enough that you could sit and drink and be comfortable living in your ship

also i need coffee
 

Mav359

Mav359
fennster said:
Problem is that even with just enough gravitational pull to keep the coffee in whilst stationary, when you lifted it the momentum would keep it going out of the cup into the air.
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So how high does the gravity need to be before thats not an issue and would that number be feasible for the ship to generate
 

Mav359

Mav359
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I like to think this section of the FSD is always rotating

Also i dont think you guys are taking my need for space coffee seriously enough
 

Nadreck

N
IIRC, all of our ships have downward thrusters capable of lifting the ship from a 1g planet. This would also make them capable of generating a 1g acceleration in the right direction in space.

So we have artificial gravity at will, just switch the thrusters on.
 

Chrystoph

Chrystoph
Regardless of the "Lore", the mechanics of the game require Gravity manipulation.

Being inside of an SRV allows you to survive on a 9G planet, and thrusters that cannot generate enough lift to exceed that same 9G still manage to get you into orbit. To make it even more ridiculous, during the Odyssey build up, we've been told that there will be planets that cannot be walked on due to the body's gravity, but that the SRV will still function on.
 

Llandrenel

Llandrenel
While true, to have consistent gravity in your ship you'd need constant rotation, as seen in the starports, as opposed to the small outposts, to be able to generate the g forces necessary without some sort of "gravity generator". So, gravity on our ships? Not gonna happen unless you wanna put artificial grav generators into the lore somewhere.
 

Mav359

Mav359
Llandrenel said:
While true, to have consistent gravity in your ship you'd need constant rotation, as seen in the starports, as opposed to the small outposts, to be able to generate the g forces necessary without some sort of "gravity generator". So, gravity on our ships? Not gonna happen unless you wanna put artificial grav generators into the lore somewhere.
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My personal prefrence was to have sirus corp release a gravity deck plate that we would all get as a retro-fit, just make something up..... 1000 years from now tech we havent even thought of.

I always felt that we'd be more likely to get ship interiors if the mechanics of mag boots and grab handles in zero-g weren't something that fdev had to contend with
 

Nadreck

N
You don't need rotation to simulate gravity, you just need acceleration.

Rotation has the advantage that you stay put (handy for a station), and it doesn't require a continuous energy supply to maintain.

Theoretically, you could generate spin gravity in a ship by using a counterweight on a cable, "above" the ship, and set the ship and counterweight spinning around a point between them. This has been suggested for travelling to Mars, either by having a counterweight or by tethering two spacecraft together.

However, force-fields exist in ED (they stop air escaping from station mailslots, and of course we have shields that can stop bullets and explosions), so it wouldn't be unreasonable to have a weak force-field pushing "downwards" inside the ship to simulate gravity (even without true artificially-generated gravity).
 

Llandrenel

Llandrenel
Mav359 said:
My personal prefrence was to have sirus corp release a gravity deck plate that we would all get as a retro-fit, just make something up..... 1000 years from now tech we havent even thought of.

I always felt that we'd be more likely to get ship interiors if the mechanics of mag boots and grab handles in zero-g weren't something that fdev had to contend with
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Well, mag-boots aren't really something that need to be "dealt with", they could easily just state that all suits are fitted with mag boots and are automatically engaged inside the ship and hey presto, ship interiors you can walk in without gravity generators. But I'm easy on that subject. If they add them at som epoint then sure, that's cool. But I can live without them. :)
 

Chrystoph

Chrystoph
Llandrenel said:
Well, mag-boots aren't really something that need to be "dealt with", they could easily just state that all suits are fitted with mag boots and are automatically engaged inside the ship and hey presto, ship interiors you can walk in without gravity generators. But I'm easy on that subject. If they add them at som epoint then sure, that's cool. But I can live without them. :)
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I'm curious, how do mag boots address weighing 9 times your 1G weight and the burdens that places on your heart, or, for that matter, your musculature?
 

Trollymctrollerson

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Just eat your coffee in bar form. The dispensers on the FxS series actually synthesize a textured beverage product with the consistency of cookie dough to solve the problem you describe. Its mildy adhesive and adheres to the inside of your beverage container. Space sporks are recommended although individuals possessing genetic modifications for increased tongue length can often make due without.
 

Mav359

Mav359
Trollymctrollerson said:
Just eat your coffee in bar form. The dispensers on the FxS series actually synthesize a textured beverage product with the consistency of cookie dough to solve the problem you describe. Its mildy adhesive and adheres to the inside of your beverage container. Space sporks are recommended although individuals possessing genetic modifications for increased tongue length can often make due without.
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How dare you LOL
 

Morbad

Morbad
Mav359 said:
if theres no gravity on the ships whats the point of having a coffee maker
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What's the point in my folding RV trailer having a shower if I can't use it while on the road?

The most straightforward assumption is that the coffee machine and cups aren't supposed to be used when the ship is out flying around...it's for when you're docked at a starport or landed on the surface of a planet.

Mav359 said:
When we watch astronuats go into space we often see them chasing water around in zero-g so what does the gravity need to be to keep my coffee in the cup? is 0.05g enough? The moons gravity is around 0.166g is that enough to keep my coffee grounded (get it)
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As long as the gravity is stronger than the force of capillary action that would have the liquid try to climb out of it's container, it will stay put, until moved.

Mav359 said:
Im wondering if the story could be told that the mass of the ships and rotaional output from the drives were just enough that you wouldn't walk around with mag boots (as if you were on the moon) but that its just high enough that you could sit and drink and be comfortable living in your ship
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There is no ship in the game that can't maintain at least a full g of acceleration until it runs out of fuel. Even with the relative velocity caps, you could just fly in a loop and simulate gravity.
 

Quantis Trap

Quantis Trap
To me, it's all about game play and I want 0G and near 0G game play in FPS as well as the SRV. It's the main thing that makes the SRV great!
 

Sapyx

Sapyx
As I have said numerous times: the coffee cups you can clearly see dangling from what is presumably a coffee machine are not really coffee cups, just like the big bucket-shaped thing outside a KFC isn't really a giant bucket of fried chicken. This is clearly evident because the cups would fall off under the slightest gravitational changes, and the gravitational changes caused by out ships maneuvering in combat are much, much bigger than "slight". The fake cups are there just as a sign, so you can tell at a glance which small bench-top doohickey is the coffemaker and which one is the positronic phase inverter.

Our ships have zero G when not sitting on a planet's surface. If you want to drink your space-coffee, you'll need to drink it from an insulated pouch, just like a real 20th century astronaut.
 
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