Griefing & Piracy Solution Mega Thread

[CMDR Dreamstate]

I mentioned once, one time, that I could write up my ideas. When I said it would take weeks, it's because I would actually do what you've so implicitly failed to do and that's research the areas of the game I am not 100% familiar with in order to make sure that no single person was being left out or pushed to the side.

See you in a few weeks.

o7

P.S. Oh, just one more thing before you go, or carry on filling up your balloon (I'm past the point of caring). You do realise that the forum join date in my profile (07/01/2016) has nothing to do with when I bought the game and started playing, right? Nice assumption. Do you always do the childish thing and look at the start date in people's profiles to assume you have some sort of entitled "I've been playing 2 years and know better" opinion?

If you think that makes your points any more valid than they already aren't, you're wrong.

 

[Deadspin]

I didn't say anything about how long you've been playing.

I made a note on how long you've been contributing to the forum. More pointedly, I did it because, if you'd been here longer than 6 months and actually participated in the debates and arguments, you'd have more insight into why your proposal is flawed.

It's not just me man. More than half of the people who voted don't agree with it either.

 

[CMDR Dreamstate]

I didn't say anything about how long you've been playing.

I made a note on how long you've been contributing to the forum. More pointedly, I did it because, if you'd been here longer than 6 months and actually participated in the debates and arguments, you'd have more insight into why your proposal is flawed.

It's not just me man. More than half of the people who voted don't agree with it either.

Absolutely pathetic reasoning.

Then again, I expect nothing less from the Diamond Frogs who are EVE's rejects from the Goon Squad.

It honestly doesn't matter how many people disagree with me in this thread - most of the people that have participated here have had nothing constructive to say at all and even admitted they couldn't be bothered to read it.

If Frontier think my proposal has some merit, they'll do something about it - if not, then who cares (certainly not you).

The amount of votes in "This is too much, punishment too harsh, game modes are fine as they are." kept increasing to what it is now, despite being sent to this part of Frontier's forum to die (and was probably reported to a moderator to make sure it ended up here), and this is despite my poll being called "biased". Do I think that is slightly suspect? Yes, considering the same people who are dead against it keep re-appearing and attacking the ideas from every angle under the sun.

Vocal minorities exist in forums. They shout the loudest. Throw their toys out of the pram over a proposal that could have merit, but instead of providing constructive criticism, choose to keep shooting their "forum veteran" mouths off in an attempt to silence opposition.

Regardless, I'll continue to update this thread whenever constructive ideas are thrown in or not because I'm an honest man of my convictions, and if I believe I have an idea that could benefit a game, I'll stick to my guns, get stubborn, and I'll dig my feet in regardless of the hate and personal, indirect insults coming my way in one form or another.

 

[Galactic Fork]

1: You choose whether or not to pay the buyback. It doesn't happen automatically based off of your actions.

Hrm, I'm sorry... I didn't realize the penalty would be instantly withdrawn. I thought I recalled it being upon your ship blowing up. Um retracted!

2. The police wouldn't have let you walk out of the car. They would have shot you dead and you would have then been revived on the table in the hospital. Think more GTA. What would you have me do? I can't help the mechanics Frontier has already implemented but I can, however, try to keep suggestions for new mechanics lore friendly if possible. It's not a crime to want some of the mechanics in the game to actually fit the world, given the ones you've pointed out (and more) that struggle to fit already.

Where did you get the idea that I thought people who commit crimes should be allowed into any station they want? I only talked about security force responses in the corresponding security sectors, never where people could go. I know what a lot of Anarchy and lawless space looks like in this game and it's not a group of systems where you could easily sustain anything larger than a Cobra. So, because of that information, I put to OP the suggestion that Frontier would need to basically re-distribute systems and governments in order to support both lawless and lawful player groups within the bubble to the fullest extent while also implementing a security system that would make it incredibly dangerous (while also incredibly lucrative) to venture into either type of space for missions/casual exploration.

Eh, I've been reading more of your posts. I think we're closer to the same page. I somehow missed the whole bit about "Wanted status" and thought your whole solution was fast response times in medium and high security systems, just to keep those safe. Anyway, sorry again.

You've apparently got some reading comprehension issues. I'm not a ganker. I'm not a pirate. I just fly around space, land on planets or swoop through rings and pewpew NPCs (or PCs) who try to destroy my ship.

I don't expect anyone to escape whatever punishment gets eventually implemented. I actually haven't talked about anything you've alluded to here save for the fact that I disagree with OPs homicide mechanic because the punishment is ridiculous, specifically the credit designed strictly to dissuade any PKing outside of a proper combat zone from happening ever again. It's a carebear design decision that's solely focused on making a safe place for the OP while making an attempt to completely throw away a valid game mechanic simply because OP doesn't like it.

God forbid somebody try to explain that that's now how it works.

Do you mean the fact there is a punishment by credits? or the amount? I do think there should be a deterrent in the form of costs (buyback specifically) for instances of playerkilling involving involuntary pvp. Not to keep pk from happening outside of combat zones specifically, but killing a player in war zone situations, or in powerplay situations, etc. are different. Killing people outside of such instances is a criminal act and should be treated as such.

 

[Deadspin]

Absolutely pathetic reasoning.

That's grand, coming from you.

Then again, I expect nothing less from the Diamond Frogs who are EVE's rejects from the Goon Squad.

You do realize that EVE goons and regular goons are two entirely different entities, right? I played EVE, yeah, but that was well before I even knew what or who the goons were and I didn't play with them. How low of you to stoop to that though. I guess some of us really are sore losers though so I must have been really hoping for too much to expect who we play for to be kept out of this? Guess so.

The amount of votes in "This is too much, punishment too harsh, game modes are fine as they are." kept increasing to what it is now, despite being sent to this part of Frontier's forum to die (and was probably reported to a moderator to make sure it ended up here), and this is despite my poll being called "biased". Do I think that is slightly suspect? Yes, considering the same people who are dead against it keep re-appearing and attacking the ideas from every angle under the sun.

I can assure you, 100% on my own FD account and all things associated with it, I never linked your post anywhere. If anyone was bringing in the downvote brigade, it came from somewhere else.

Vocal minorities exist in forums. They shout the loudest. Throw their toys out of the pram over a proposal that could have merit, but instead of providing constructive criticism, choose to keep shooting their "forum veteran" mouths off in an attempt to silence opposition.

I've provided constructive criticism leveled at one single aspect of your entire proposal and you've not yet shown that you can accept that or any of the constructive criticism that's been leveled your way by anyone posting in this thread. Forgive me if insisting that you actually take part in the major arguments so that you can better understand your various peers and where they come from is too much to ask of you. God knows I should have known to keep it simple and down to less than 5 letters per word for a BorCo member.

I'm an honest man of my convictions, and if I believe I have an idea that could benefit a game, I'll stick to my guns, get stubborn, and I'll dig my feet in regardless of the hate and personal, indirect insults coming my way in one form or another.

lol

What this basically says is, "I have an idea. It's better than everyone elses. Shut up and don't post if you don't like it."

That's fine by me son.

 

[Azmuth Divarchchron]

I like where this is going so far, but a little mre work needs to go into this, the way it is now people could easily take advantage of this and use it to rob other people of their money. Maybe what can be done is that the crimes system can track the crimes history of a player to determine wether they are going on a homicide spree or just playing the game.

For example if the game finds that an anaconda player has killed several sidewinder players then the homicide status should become active.

 

[CMDR Dreamstate]

Just a shout out to Sarmarco...

Massive thank you for the new additional penalties coming in 2.4 under the revisions for the C&P system.

It is beyond my expectations and I'm totally looking forward to making the Elite universe much fairer

Thank you!

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