Griefing

[NoirWolf]

That's not the point...I asked before- how many Chinese and Asian gamers are here?

So someone from japan can kill you when they like?

Polish culture at the end of the 17th century, the French culture at the end of the eighteenth century. In the 19th century, Romania was not able to escape European influences, especially in its French form. Read Ibrăileanu's book. Your country,Romania, also had a significant contribution to the development of European culture.

You should learn some history...the Polish influence is in Moldavia, until the unification Austro-hungarian in Transylvania ( french in the mix but not so much ) Walachia was under Turkish influence until they went in decline then they got hit by the french influence hard ( Bucharest was once called Little Paris for a reason ) and Dobrogea has a metric butt ton of Turkish and some Russian influences. What you read is a description of the influences on Romanian literature.

A very bad argument...I don' t kill players "for fun". I know, some people do it just for fun - i.e. griefers.

Rather doubt you will never have fun besting a pirate when he attacked you but sure lets assume you have absolutely no ego and thus would never take pride in that fact.

 

[Don_Von_Hulio]

You can flame, troll, and be sarcastic. But comparing Stalins methods to a players actions in a game is pretty melodramatic.... lol but keep going. It makes me feel good about myself.

 

[NoirWolf]

You can flame, troll, and be sarcastic. But comparing Stalins methods to a players actions in a game is pretty melodramatic.... lol but keep going. It makes me feel good about myself.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Ham fisting anyone who does not think like you do ( in this instance that PKing should not be fun in some way ) is pretty similar if miles and miles removed from Stalin's actions in severity. Melodramatic undertones in this case is purely for other's amusement while hopefully actually thinking about it for a moment.

 

[VR jefranklin18]

You can flame, troll, and be sarcastic. But comparing Stalins methods to a players actions in a game is pretty melodramatic....

Technically, isn't it hyperbole?

hyperbole
1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

melodramatic
1. of, like, or befitting melodrama.
2. exaggerated and emotional or sentimental; sensational or sensationalized; overdramatic.

I suppose it depends if the OP knew that he was exaggerating...

 

[VR jefranklin18]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Ham fisting anyone who does not think like you do ( in this instance that PKing should not be fun in some way ) is pretty similar if miles and miles removed from Stalin's actions in severity. Melodramatic undertones in this case is purely for other's amusement while hopefully actually thinking about it for a moment.

That assumes your opinion is correct, when it is just an opinion and therefore (like ar$es) everyone has one

 

[NoirWolf]

That assumes your opinion is correct, when it is just an opinion and therefore (like ar$es) everyone has one

You mean like his opinion?

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Ok, what did I miss, how come we have come down to some kind of Godwin's law here?

Rule of Stalin is extremely bloody, saddening and unpleasant page in world's history, but I fail to see it's relation with the topic, t.i. griefing.

If goal was to say that there are natural born sociopaths and psycopaths out there, I think no one argues that.

If goal was to minimize negative image of current crop of griefers, then I fail to see connection.

And can we finally agree that subject is very....well....subjective. Griefer is subjective to victim. Even NPC can be seen as griefer, because it is something that causes grief. And no, "he's sociopath/psychopath" doesn't apply here. It is your emotions talking. Just don't.

 

[VR jefranklin18]

You mean like his opinion?

His is equally as valid as yours, just different. It is a pity intransigence is preventing people from accepting these differences and moving on.

 

[NoirWolf]

His is equally as valid as yours, just different. It is a pity intransigence is preventing people from accepting these differences and moving on.

I readily admit mine is no more valid than his problem is he's holding on to that scientific paper as if it validates his opinion ergo dragging me out of my lair to say my own opinion with the same vehemence.

@P: Stalin defined enemy of the state during his rule and griefer is a enemy of the game more or less, draw your conclusions from there.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

@P: Stalin defined enemy of the state during his rule and griefer is a enemy of the game more or less, draw your conclusions from there.

You and guy who made this claim need a reality check. Maybe there are few people emotionally claiming griefers an enternal enemy which will destroy ED. But you comparing this to Stalin is new low Let's keep ontopic shall we.

 

[VR jefranklin18]

I readily admit mine is no more valid than his problem is he's holding on to that scientific paper as if it validates his opinion ergo dragging me out of my lair to say my own opinion with the same vehemence.

Or you could say "we agree to disagree"?

 

[NoirWolf]

You and guy who made this claim need a reality check. Maybe there are few people emotionally claiming griefers an enternal enemy which will destroy ED. But you comparing this to Stalin is new low Let's keep ontopic shall we.

Do explain why? And it isn't a "few", mention EVE and people go crazy.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Do explain why? And it isn't a "few", mention EVE and people go crazy.

You obviously know how forum works. People with strong feelings about subject are attracted to threads about subject. It's Internet 101. People have strong feelings about EVE, goons, EVE guilds for obvious reasons. Some have found memories, some have bad, some have extremely disappointing. As I have said previously EVE was mishandled in a way as it threw away a balance. Even sandbox needs one. [Redated]

So in nutshell, inception of idea of EVE wasn't so bad, as it's realization and mishandling of balance. These people remember results and those ain't pretty. That's why they attracted to the ED as the game which has strong emphasis to solo play and coop, and balanced player to player interaction. When they see people wanting to recreate feeling of guilds of EVE for ED, they obviously assume these people come to ruin this game too. Also fact that lot of pro-guilders and PvPers express little if any understanding of game mechanics doesn't help, as phrases of "carebear tears" or "melting faces".

What FD tries to do here is create relatively "fair" universe similar to EVE, but with very big emphasis on you as single person in fragile ship in big galaxy. It will take a lot of buy in from both sides of this debate, but I still hold a hope. Current crop of player killers running around the stations and shooting inside trough entry doesn't help. But I really hope everyone understands that it is not full game yet.

So overall - less boosting, more understanding. Understanding that building guilds right out of gates of alpha isn't right way to do it. Understanding that yes, you can play 'all' in safe systems...but still you will be challenged now and then.

People are really screwed with previous lazy attempts of other MMOs. I have fingers crossed that we can get it right here. I am certainly looking forward to fulfill FD idea.

 

[Storagebod]

People are really screwed with previous lazy attempts of other MMOs. I have fingers crossed that we can get it right here. I am certainly looking forward to fulfill FD idea.

Just a great post....

 

[NoirWolf]

I wouldn't call EVE anything negative. It is what it is and currently what it is is a MMO maintaining P2P in a F2P market where even WoW is going down. Not saying ED should be like EVE in all the ways that makes EVE EVE but this push against organized player guilds is...perplexing...mostly because even a Goonswarm sized guild in Elite won't do much as the one thing Goons hate is facing a unified and determined foe and there are at least as many people in this community willing to make a solid fight of it than there are Goons who know which end of a joystick to hold up.

The fear people have for EVE is in the end pointless because both Elite and EVE share the same key idea "You are insignificant in the grand scheme of things.". Yes in EVE you can be a Mittani ( no longer plays EVE but controls the Goons ) or a Chirrba ( donates a sizeable site for free to the community and is the single person in the entirety of EVE anyone can fully trust ) but only the latter is an old guard, Mittani rose to power after the last CEO derped catastrophically and that CEO and Goons rose to power after BoB fell who in turn rose up from the quagmire of early 0.0 alliances..EVE emulates in many ways life, Elite so far seems to do the same but without EVE's ability to show the decay and fall from grace as well.

Elite is its own game I know and what drew me to it was my explorer's itch ( that one impossible dream everyone has...mine is to see the stars and everything in between..to get lost up there...but since I cannot do that I picked up plasma physics and will do my best to make sure one of the following generations can) and that's why I will play.

 

[psykokow]

I'm closing this thread for further investigation.

Will update once completed