Guy crushing ships deliverated on Gerorge Lucas station

AdriánGuth · May 1, 2015

How can someone do this in side an station
he crush any ship that get inside the station
i thouth that was an accident the fist time. but now is the second time that he destoy my cobra just ccrushing it.
THIS IS UNFAIR

Rankaze · May 1, 2015

Yep, and because FD is unwilling to banish this loser and his ilk to Solo like he deserves, we will now all be limited to 100 m/s when docking (if you don't want to get blown up by the station for as much as grazing someone's shields) in 1.3!

Isn't it lovely?

Roybe · May 1, 2015

The 100 m/s rule might not stop this..the OP says he is crushing him...not ramming him. If someone pushes another ship into the wall, slowly, will it result in a bounty and the station opening fire?

INSTG8R · May 1, 2015

Roybe said:
The 100 m/s rule might not stop this..the OP says he is crushing him...not ramming him. If someone pushes another ship into the wall, slowly, will it result in a bounty and the station opening fire?

Good point...

lunithy · May 1, 2015

Rankaze said:
Yep, and because FD is unwilling to banish this loser and his ilk to Solo like he deserves, we will now all be limited to 100 m/s when docking (if you don't want to get blown up by the station for as much as grazing someone's shields) in 1.3!

Isn't it lovely?

Great so now it's like the road rules .....

only slightly more drastic consequences but I have not seen this in the beta?.

Undecided · May 1, 2015

lunithy said:
Great so now it's like the road rules ..... only slightly more drastic consequences but I have not seen this in the beta?.

The current beta is only testing cross-play between Mac and PC users, not 1.3 content.

DrKronic · May 1, 2015

AdriánGuth said:
How can someone do this in side an station
he crush any ship that get inside the station
i thouth that was an accident the fist time. but now is the second time that he destoy my cobra just ccrushing it.
THIS IS UNFAIR

lol, well I guess they better make it a crime to ram into a ship under 100 m/s as well then that will solve it

Morbad · May 1, 2015

Same guys do this almost every other morning around this time. It's all they log into the game to do. One of them in a Cobra has been doing it for at least two months and he's often with a buddy in a Clipper.

Be very careful around this station.

Rankaze said:
Isn't it lovely?

It's vastly better solution than banishing people who are disruptive without actually cheating.

AI behavior needs to change to make these sort of practices impractical. Arbitrarily removing people because they don't happen to be playing the way you or I would like them to is far too heavy handed and does nothing to solve the problem of ridiculous AI behavior.

gooddoc · May 1, 2015

Why don't you log off, re-join in Solo mode, fly off to another station/system, log off again & re-join back in Open mode.....there problem solved!!!!

If more players just did this instead of keep posting on the forum whinging about it, then these muppets wouldn't keep getting off on the attention that they so desperately crave!!!

SteveLaw · May 1, 2015

Rankaze said:
Yep, and because FD is unwilling to banish this loser and his ilk to Solo like he deserves, we will now all be limited to 100 m/s when docking (if you don't want to get blown up by the station for as much as grazing someone's shields) in 1.3!

Isn't it lovely?

We aren't limited to 100m/s. We are limited to hitting another ship at 100m/s. If you don't hit anyone you can go as fast as you want.

Equinoxe · May 1, 2015

Why would anyone want to fly at more than 100m/s INSIDE a station???

That's ridiculous.

No need to do that. That's the equivalent of the stupid little boy in the 1L Citroen Saxo revving his engine hard at the lights and burning away when it switches to green.

You deserve to get shot out of the sky if you do that, in my opinion

bamber · May 1, 2015

Equinoxe said:
Why would anyone want to fly at more than 100m/s INSIDE a station???

That's ridiculous.

No need to do that. That's the equivalent of the stupid little boy in the 1L Citroen Saxo revving his engine hard at the lights and burning away when it switches to green.

You deserve to get shot out of the sky if you do that, in my opinion

Some people are wanting the limit for ramming changed to 200m/s!

if you actually try what FD are suggesting you will see that anything over about 125 through the slot is squeaky bum time, 100 seems about right and feels to be what we are actually doing at the moment

Ydiss · May 1, 2015

Equinoxe said:
Why would anyone want to fly at more than 100m/s INSIDE a station???

That's ridiculous.

No need to do that. That's the equivalent of the stupid little boy in the 1L Citroen Saxo revving his engine hard at the lights and burning away when it switches to green.

You deserve to get shot out of the sky if you do that, in my opinion

It'll be less an issue inside than out. The rule will apply in the no fire zone. I always use landing gear just as I enter the letter box so I'm usually close to 100ms. But outside I'm always travelling at the fastest speed to close the 7-10k distance.

The only issue I take with the rule that is to be tested in 1.3 beta is ramming players could still ram you, but under 100ms, just outside the station and you'll get blown up by the station instead.

That and this sort of rule needing to be introduced at all. It's idiots like this that mean we can't have nice things.

That said, it's the most sensible solution and I can't think of any better. So it'll be important it gets fully tested in beta (and that means players actively trying to break it).

fademist · May 1, 2015

soon OP u will change mode and will be solo/private ppl fault not griefer

saulysw · May 1, 2015

If you are avoiding being scanned, you might be coming through that slot VERY fast.

There is a big difference between someone accidentally hitting you (ie trying to minimize damage to them and you) and someone trying to destroy you into the wall on purpose.

Are T-9's now responsible for destroying eagles that get in the way?

I didn't know about this 1.3 change, and to be honest I don't like the sound of it.

Stern Winter · May 1, 2015

Equinoxe said:
Why would anyone want to fly at more than 100m/s INSIDE a station???

Smuggling...

In order to avoid being scanned by the cops, you go through the mailslot as fast as you can, hoping you're able to stop before the back wall.

But I do my smuggling in solo, so no real CMDRs were ever inconvenienced in any way.

SteveLaw · May 1, 2015

saulysw said:
If you are avoiding being scanned, you might be coming through that slot VERY fast.

Smuggling is a risky business, there's also another way to avoid scans.

saulysw said:
Are T-9's now responsible for destroying eagles that get in the way?

If they are going too fast and aren't aware of their surroundings, yes they are.

acg515 · May 1, 2015

Equinoxe said:
Why would anyone want to fly at more than 100m/s INSIDE a station???

That's ridiculous.

No need to do that. That's the equivalent of the stupid little boy in the 1L Citroen Saxo revving his engine hard at the lights and burning away when it switches to green.

You deserve to get shot out of the sky if you do that, in my opinion

If I am smuggling something in and I decide to go balls to the wall my cobra is going to enter your station at around 300 m/s and I am going to get almost all the way to the end, to avoid getting scanned.

mossfoot · May 1, 2015

AdriánGuth said:
How can someone do this in side an station
he crush any ship that get inside the station
i thouth that was an accident the fist time. but now is the second time that he destoy my cobra just ccrushing it.
THIS IS UNFAIR

This griefer...while we cannot name and shame... Is it fair to say that the pointy parts of his pectorals are, shall we say, in need of a good scratch?

Rankaze · May 1, 2015

bamber said:
Some people are wanting the limit for ramming changed to 200m/s!

if you actually try what FD are suggesting you will see that anything over about 125 through the slot is squeaky bum time, 100 seems about right and feels to be what we are actually doing at the moment

My typical station entry speed is about 175 m/s (mind you, I fly Eagles/Vipers/Vultures, which are more comfortable at higher speeds than other ships), and I don't feel particularly nervous about doing so. I've had one or two collisions with NPC's because of erratic NPC maneuvers (let's be honest, NPC's do really bizarre stuff sometimes), but I've never even come close to hitting another player this way.

But then, that might be because I am accustomed to 250+ m/s Buckyball station entrances (and yes, I have had a fair number of incidents during those--NEVER INVOLVING ANOTHER PLAYER--but that is something you expect in the Buckyball Run).

As I proved with some testing tonight, it is possible to ram ships at speeds approaching 200 m/s without even losing the outer ring of shield (either on me or on the ship I hit!). I rammed an Asp and a T7 tonight at 167 and 176 m/s respectively. The Asp lost half a shield ring, the T7 lost a whole shield ring. I deliberately boosted into a Clipper head-on (sadly, I didn't get a good look at the speed, but my Vulture can hit 380+ under boost) and neither of us died. Obviously, you wouldn't want to ram a Sidey that way, but that brings me to my point.

It is ridiculous that we will be getting bounties for collsions regardless of whether they cause damage or not. This is capital punishment for dinging someone's door in the parking lot. If you ram someone and they blow up, I'm all good with the bounty. I'm all good with the station blasting you to bits right there. You earned it. But if you just scraped a ring off someone's shield? That should be a fine and nothing more.