Okay I was reading another thread which was about something else entirely, but the possibility of hacking was brought up. I don't really know how peer to peer works exactly, but if peer to peer works the same way that Diablo 3 works on console, then the chances of people hacking is really high. Diablo 3 on console is unplayable on open because of this. If you want a legitimate MP experience you have to go on forums and ask around for other legit players to join in private mode. In Elite I have been mostly playing solo. As my confidence has grown, and I now have reasonable grasp of the games mechanics to play in open (and have been doing so for the past few weeks). If hacking ends up plaguing Elite like it has done Diablo. I hope that the private play option returns, or I will have to go back to solo.
Hacking on console?
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Isn't there a specific reason why Diablo 3 is hackable on consoles? I mean one specific thing they did that makes it possible, that Elite
angerous' developers would have to do in order for the same thing to happen, something they're extremely unlikely to do and wouldn't have any effect anyway because there aren't items to be edited like in D3? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the first Google search I did on "Diablo 3 console hack" led me to the information I used to draw the above conclusions.
Just sayin', the sky may not be in danger of falling any time soon.
angerous' developers would have to do in order for the same thing to happen, something they're extremely unlikely to do and wouldn't have any effect anyway because there aren't items to be edited like in D3? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the first Google search I did on "Diablo 3 console hack" led me to the information I used to draw the above conclusions.Just sayin', the sky may not be in danger of falling any time soon.
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Be careful around this discussion. It's difficult to answer your questions/concern in detail without telling you how to violate the Xbox Live T&Cs and almost certainly the rules of this board as well. In essence, any game built on P2P network architecture, including this one, is prone to players doing unsavoury things if they have the knowledge & intent to do so. Try not to worry about it though as many games use P2P, you will have played a great deal of them I can almost guarantee this. Assuming your general experience online has not been one headache after another, there's no reason to believe it will be so going forward.
I'm no expert with this kind of stuff so for all I know I'm probably just freaking out over nothing. I know that on PC all save game data is stored on battle net. Which I think is a closed server. Diablo on console does not have battle.net. I think it is peer to peer and save game data can be hacked, which includes any items a character has picked up. Like you said Elite probably works completely differently. My knowledge on this sort of stuff is extremely limited, I would not have even considered it, until I saw a mention in another post on here. Which got me a little worried. I'm sure if it were possible though some one would have tried it already.
"Modding" Not hacking..
My point was that apparently Diablo 3 saves can be downloaded to USB sticks, then the content edited and I'm not sure such a maneuver would be effective at all with E on console as it stands now or is likely to be in the future. Also, (not singling the OP out at all, just in general) any talk of hacking or cheating should be limited to actual cases with proof and not just allegations based on users' sometimes (often in the case of those who tend to make such allegations) imperfect knowledge or hypothetical situations, as such disinformation can be infectious, and treated as fact by other players who don't know the original poster was not in possession of greater knowledge than themselves. Time and effort shouldn't be required to combat such when they could be used in more productive pursuits, as well, if any actual instances should arise, they shouldn't be lost in the background noise.
on console as it stands now or is likely to be in the future. Also, (not singling the OP out at all, just in general) any talk of hacking or cheating should be limited to actual cases with proof and not just allegations based on users' sometimes (often in the case of those who tend to make such allegations) imperfect knowledge or hypothetical situations, as such disinformation can be infectious, and treated as fact by other players who don't know the original poster was not in possession of greater knowledge than themselves. Time and effort shouldn't be required to combat such when they could be used in more productive pursuits, as well, if any actual instances should arise, they shouldn't be lost in the background noise.
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Your 'save game' data for elite is stored with their servers. Granted player interaction is done by P2P, there isn't a viable way of altering your data. Short of breaking into Frontiers Servers. Here is a better question. Unless you are a programming genius why would you want to hack the servers of a bunch of programmers? One of the reason for a distinct lack of virus's with Linux OS. The majority of Linux users have at least a basic knowledge of CPI (command prompt interface) & programming. Only someone very sure of themselves bothers messing with someone who could potentially ruin your day worse.
EVERYTHING is hackable/moddable. It's whether said hack/mod is worth the time to make and the trouble that comes with it. Xbox 360 were notorious for people modding and still playing online. Xbox one is probably even easier to do it with.
Actually Original Xbox was easiest, 360 got harder (MUCH harder as time went on), one would be far more likely to assume the Xbox One would be harder, not easier...also, are you talking about hacking/modding games (to cheat) or consoles (to play copied games)?
Also, I can agree with "everything is hackable/moddable" but only for certain values of "hack"...if you admit the full gamut of Social Engineering Dirty Tricks in there, including, but not limited to: Extortion, Seduction, Kidnapping, Burglary, Theft, Breaking and Entering. And at a certain point, that really quits being "hacking" and is just criminal activity.
See above where I caution against speculation based on incomplete or incorrect knowledge.
Also, I can agree with "everything is hackable/moddable" but only for certain values of "hack"...if you admit the full gamut of Social Engineering Dirty Tricks in there, including, but not limited to: Extortion, Seduction, Kidnapping, Burglary, Theft, Breaking and Entering. And at a certain point, that really quits being "hacking" and is just criminal activity.
See above where I caution against speculation based on incomplete or incorrect knowledge.
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If something is connected to the internet it can be hacked as long as the hacker has enough skill, time and patience. However modding the Xbox One is from what I understand basically impossible so far. There is no tool for xbox one like there is horizon or Modio for xbox 360. It's also very difficult to get your saves off of the console. Diablo 3 is full of modded items because those items were modded into the game on xbox 360 and then transferred over by save importing from Xbox 360 to Xbox One (I say this because I know how to do it). The biggest difference between Elite and Diablo however is that, in Diablo saves are stored locally. With Elite gamesaves are stored server side.
If it ever comes to be, the main issue is that both damage dished out, and received is calculated client side, instead of server side. Meaning, if the player is crafty enough, they can manipulate it to suit their needs.
But really, I wouldn't worry about it until this sort of thing surfaces. As with all things Elite, if this trend ever appears, saying in the know about it, will help you deal with it.
If you are truly worried about this sort of thing, remember, you have a DVR able to record any incidents that may occur, and FD is able to help you out with anything lost, if things seemed suspicious.
This fan base, is still a ways off until that day arrives, if it ever comes about at all.
But really, I wouldn't worry about it until this sort of thing surfaces. As with all things Elite, if this trend ever appears, saying in the know about it, will help you deal with it.
If you are truly worried about this sort of thing, remember, you have a DVR able to record any incidents that may occur, and FD is able to help you out with anything lost, if things seemed suspicious.
This fan base, is still a ways off until that day arrives, if it ever comes about at all.
Yep. all the Modded items come from xbox 360 save imports.
I agree! And while FD would definitely frown on anyone attempting to alter their XB1 version's programming, Microsoft would go Medieval on anyone attempting this kind of stuff. The usual punishment for such blatant violations of the
"XBL Terms of Use" is a Console Ban.
For those who don't know what a Console Ban is.... Basically, the Xbox Live security police send a remote command to your XB1 telling it to shut down its Xbox Live hand shake capability permanently. The end result is a console that can no longer connect to Xbox Live and perform any multi-player online gaming for the remainder of its life. I believe it also nerfs access to Netflix and everything else going through XBL as well. There is no reset option once this is done. A Console Banned XB1 is basically useless for anything online gaming related and can never be put back to normal even by Microsoft themselves.
I have heard stories of Console Banned Xboxes being sold on eBay to unsuspecting buyers, and in a few cases the seller was later identified and arrested. Guess it is a pretty serious offense in some parts of the world.
A heavy price to pay for screwing around with HUD colors and other stuff, wouldn't you say?
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That is a very meta comment to be making. Contribute to the discussion, or report the thread, if you think you need to.
In any event, I disagree, if doing a bit of explaining and hand holding will cut down on the number of people crying "Hack!" or "'Sploit!" in the future, I see it as nothing but a good thing. The consensus appears to be that "Hacking" this game on this console is impossible to vanishingly unlikely, so its not as though ANYONE is giving out HOWTOs on the subject. Were such a thing technically possible or a current issue with the game, I'd agree wholeheartedly, but "No, it can't and likely won't be done." (Yes, yes, theoretically possible, but no one is going to work that hard the payoff isn't there. Mod the XBox One in a manner in which you can play games you didn't pay for for free on LIVE! Yes, someone might work that hard for that, that could get you paid, or a job. Hack FD's servers to beef up your ride in E
...that would be monumentally stupid, prolly a felony or three involved there.) seems like a good message to be getting out there."Your game is safe from cheats." is not a message I'd see FD having a huge problem with.
Edit:For the love of the God I don't believe in, is there a way to PERMANENTLY disable the never-to-be-sufficently-damned smileys?????
Its not as though I don't use E
in every other post...GRRRR! (now I kinda do want to use a smiley, but I'm gonna stick to my principles, dammit!)
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That is a very meta comment to be making. Contribute to the discussion, or report the thread, if you think you need to.
In any event, I disagree, if doing a bit of explaining and hand holding will cut down on the number of people crying "Hack!" or "'Sploit!" in the future, I see it as nothing but a good thing. The consensus appears to be that "Hacking" this game on this console is impossible to vanishingly unlikely, so its not as though ANYONE is giving out HOWTOs on the subject. Were such a thing technically possible or a current issue with the game, I'd agree wholeheartedly, but "No, it can't and likely won't be done." (Yes, yes, theoretically possible, but no one is going to work that hard the payoff isn't there. Mod the XBox One in a manner in which you can play games you didn't pay for for free on LIVE! Yes, someone might work that hard for that, that could get you paid, or a job. Hack FD's servers to beef up your ride in E
"Your game is safe from cheats." is not a message I'd see FD having a huge problem with.
Edit:For the love of the God I don't believe in, is there a way to PERMANENTLY disable the never-to-be-sufficently-damned smileys?????
Its not as though I don't use E
But Ras... If anyone should know what MS typically does to anyone who attempts to run a modded box it should be someone like you and me who have been on this network since 2001! I've seen folks get console banned for much less than what is being considered in this discussion. I don't care what the potential payout would be! Any type of modding of ED on the XB1 would more than likely bring the house down onto the head of anyone stupid enough to attempt it!
I would venture to say that the punishment would likely be a permanent ban from Elite courtesy of FD, followed in quick succession by a console ban from MS. For a total loss to the would-be modder of what? Their Xbox One console, and a lifetime banishment from any Frontier Development server.
Can't think of any payout on the planet that would be worth risking all that!
And to your point of trying to educate those who don't understand how the XBL network works and how it is monitored by MS, good luck with that! We know that the odds of running into another player that is running a modded box is basically ZERO, but try convincing someone of that who is totally ignorant of all the reasons why that would never happen, coupled with that type of player's paranoia where they see hackers at work behind every legit beating they receive at the hands of a better player.
Some folks just refuse to accept or believe the notion that there are a lot of gamers out there 10 times more skilled than they are, and when they get their A** handed to them, it has nothing to do with cheating and everything to do with a lower skill level than their opponent. lol!
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To annoy my girlfriend, I'll say "it is and it isn't".
If we're having it in the safe haven of a moderated game-oriented forum, then you can be sure that the black hats are having it on darknet behind over 9000 proxies. The PC version of ED has been hacked to pieces, but we'll never meet them in real space. If they're in pimped-to-the-hilt Anacondas with auto-logoffski, we're immune. To my knowledge, the One hasn't been hacked at all yet, perhaps bolstered by (a) the online-only nature of the beast, and (b) the fear that people have of Microsoft "doing a GTA IV" and mass banning consoles and accounts from XBL. Eventually we'll see hacked Xbox Ones, but I doubt it will affect ED, or will really mean hacked games. More likely, piracy.This coming from someone without any understanding of the subjects being spoke of.
I believe you popped into another thread yesterday saying it was impossible for me to have been the target of a DDoS Attack over Xbox live.
Because "Microsoft wouldn't hand out my IP to someone simply because they asked for it."
Two things: This isn't a speak of the devil and he shall appear deal.
And: Do not spread misinformation simply to get involved in a subject, if you do not know nor can contribute on the subject, ask questions instead of making statements.(Hmm note to self, also follow this advice...granted, when I do it it is usually outdated information, not ignorance on the subject)