General / Off-Topic Having A Baby in Sicily

It's a cultural thing. Part of it is I'm scottish. Part of it is I'm working class (originally, my parents dispute that now with my accent and my job). And I have no idea how this would change if I was say english and middle or upper class. So I can only base it on my own.

I'm the eldest of six, a typical working class family from the late seventies and all through the eighties (my youngest brother was born in '89). For us, it was very simple. You have a baby. People come and say congratulations, most bring presents, but usually small things. Family might help out with the bigger things, like your folks might buy the pram.

I've married into a sicilian middle class family from out in the country. It's a large village, small town of about six thousand people. Now my 'famiglia' maintain they're poor. But by my scottish standards... they own several houses and we have a beach house I haven't taken advantage of this year because of the baby.

James Gibson was born to us on the 30th of July 2013. I had no idea during the pregnancy that anything was up. Giving him a British name raises eyebrows until we explain that it's my father's name. Having the name of one of the grandfathers is tradition so that's ok and people always nod and say, 'Oh, also here in sicily we have this tradition! I didn't know in Scotland you do the same.' I explain we don't but I felt my old man with eight grandchildren deserved at least one named after him. Old bastit that he is. (I love that old man). So having him named after my Dad works.

The problems really started at the hospital. First thing is I don't really know much about giving birth. But I do know from what my Dad told me, it involves him, a doctor or two, some nurses and a mid-wife, oh and my Mum. Now in sicily, it involves my mother-in-law, me (barely and the doctors and nurses try to throw me out a lot). Let's be clear. The principle caregiver and helper here is my wife's mother. Not the doctor, not the nurse or the midwife. My mother-in-law. By tradition. In british hospitals, the husband can stay during the birth, but must leave at night. In sicily, the mother-in-law can stay, the husband is encouraged to leave during labour and is allowed into the delivery room only when she's about to give birth. Well that's how it should go. Me and the mother-in-law are still not entirely back on talking terms (we're getting better) when I balked at this when it was made clear to me that my place was entirely second and at one point the Doctor made it clear to us that only one of us could remain. My mother-in-law raised her eyebrow at me with that smug 'shouldn't you be going now' look. And hasn't forgiven me yet for showing her the door.
 
The birth went... well it went, nine hours of labour and then a caesarian. I'm pretty sure painkillers should be given but the doctor and midwife stared at me like I was mad, the mother-in-law thought it was wrong too. I'm basing this entirely on movies, but I'm pretty sure drugs should be given for pain if she wants them. She wanted them.

Anyway once we arrived back home (four days later). It really started. Sicilians think you know nothing about raising children. Now I've never been a Dad before, but I'm the eldest of six, and I've been an uncle. A lot. So I have the basics down. Sicilian women (especially the middle-aged and older sort) are convinced that whatever you're doing is wrong. And will take your child off you and reposition, refold it or whatever in what they assume is the right way. Also everyone thinks holding your child will lead to it being spoiled. No, spoiling your child (like most italians do) will spoil your child.

We also have traditions to respect. Bomboniere is where you spend three or four hundred euros on useless little objects with your kids name that you give away to people who bring you a gift. We also keep a bowl of sweets on the ready (very specific sweets called confetti) for any passers by. I like some of these traditions, the sweets and the blue 'fiocho' on the door to let people know we've had a boy. I also make sure the 'bomboniere' are giving money to charity or fair-trade since I feel if it's useless the money shouldn't be. There's also the list, which frankly I find a little embarassing. It's a list of all the things we want for our boy, the big ticket items, from the steriliser (WHAT'S WRONG WITH BOILING?) to the 'trio' itself the pram/buggy/carseat combo.
 
Many congratulations on the birth of your first son. I'm sure the traditions can make your teeth be set on edge but at least you have a large family to 'help out'. Although this can be unhelpful at times.

My wife and I just had our second boy 2 weeks ago life needs quite a few adjustments to try to get it back in a direction you can call with. Many restful night's we wish on you and your wife.

Congratulations again.
 
Congratulations! I don't have any myself, but am a step dad I guess (I really hate that term) I'm sure you and your family will do well.
 
Congratulations on the birth of James. He looks very cute, nothing like Spock ;)

Cultural differences can be hard to come to terms with.

My Godson was born in Spain 9 months ago. You have to watch the nurses, to make sure they don't whisk the baby (if a girl) away to have its ears pierced. They have recliner chairs in the rooms so someone (husband) can stay the night (nurses have a different role in Spain, just not sure what it is), this would be fine except the rooms are doubles, so you have to lie awake during all the chatting, snoring, arguing that goes on. Plus, people don't eat until 10.30 so the families are just getting ready to visit en-mass at around midnight. Tough for someone who has just had a baby and needs some sleep.

When we take the little lad for walks, all the well meaning Spanish ladies have no qualms in informing his mum that he really should have socks on, as that is the reason he is fretting. Nothing to do with the 35 deg heat and the fact that he wants a McMilk.

Whatever the circumstances, having children is a life enrichment and I wish you and your family a very happy family life together.
 
Congrats on the baby, Jeff! :)

And, yes, such family involvement would definitely drive me crazy. But, then again, me and my wife are both introverts so we tend to avoid unnecessary human contact to begin with... Which has changed drastically since we had our extrovert daughter... :)
 

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Cross cultural baby experiences.

I have two daughters, and the dutch ways are not what I had expected either (not that I had any idea what exactly to expect anyway).

The dutch norm is to have your child at home, if possible. Well, after 24 hours of labour we were taken to the hospital, where eventually the baby did her thing and came into the world about 40 hours after labour started. Nurses, doctor and me present, as well as the two most important actors in the scene.

So, there we had a new-born baby after 40 hours of effort. Within 20 seconds my wife was informed that it was a girl, asked what her name was (Caerwyn), and how to spell it (she blurted out 'Kerwin'), and this was duly written on a tag and attached to the baby, before she was placed in her mothers arms.

So instead of a beautilful welsh name she has an Irish version of the name instead :mad:

Our second daughter was born at home 6 years later. This time we had written the possible names on cards, boy version and girl version. I had forgotton just how small they are when they are born. I had also forgotten to turn the baby sideways when changing the nappy. Result? Within the first 24 hours of her life my brand new child had pooped all over me!
 
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Was going to write something meaningful but my wife thinks she may be going into labour.

Bloody nuisance, I had stuff to do today.
 
So, there we had a new-born baby after 40 hours of effort. Within 20 seconds my wife was informed that it was a girl, asked what her name was (Caerwyn), and how to spell it (she blurted out 'Kerwin'), and this was duly written on a tag and attached to the baby, before she was placed in her mothers arms.
That's... mad... In Finland, the hospital only asks for "emergency" names (in case there are major difficulties) and the official names are given afterwards by the parents within a couple of months of the birth...
 
Was going to write something meaningful but my wife thinks she may be going into labour.

Bloody nuisance, I had stuff to do today.

Really?! Congratulations.

Yeah the spanish/italian thing is quite similar. The other nights my wife stayed in hospital my mother-in-law stayed the night (husbands not welcome after 9 except for the day/night of birth) and they both complained of nurses banging doors, switching on lights at 4am and chatting in the corridor.

Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences, James is turning out wonderfully (he's asleep right now). Mother-in-laws have been tamed, relatives backed off and things are much much calmer.
 

Sir.Tj

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Was going to write something meaningful but my wife thinks she may be going into labour.

Bloody nuisance, I had stuff to do today.


Another forum member having a baby on the way :eek:. Must have been something Elite fans wanted to celebrate last November???

:D Congrats :D
 
Another forum member having a baby on the way :eek:. Must have been something Elite fans wanted to celebrate last November???

:D Congrats :D

She did a pregnancy test at the same time the kickstarter finished and that is when I found out.

False alarm today by the way.

More on topic: I asked my Mother in Law whether or not she would like to take my place when the time comes and she flatly refused. I even told her about the customs in Sicily but it was no use :)
 
She did a pregnancy test at the same time the kickstarter finished and that is when I found out.

False alarm today by the way.

More on topic: I asked my Mother in Law whether or not she would like to take my place when the time comes and she flatly refused. I even told her about the customs in Sicily but it was no use :)

I have to confess I'm not sure now the Mother in Law is wrong, birth: Men really have no business being there. I really now wish I'd been in a waiting room smoking cigars for 9 hours.
 
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