Astronomy / Space Hawking backs interstellar travel project

Stephen Hawking is backing a project to send tiny spacecraft to another star system within a generation.

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They would travel trillions of miles; far further than any previous craft.

A $100m (£70m) research programme to develop the computer chip-sized "starships" was launched by the billionaire Yuri Milner, supported by Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg.
Interstellar travel has long been a dream for many, but significant technological hurdles remain.
But Prof Hawking told BBC News that fantasy could be realised sooner than we might think.

"If we are to survive as a species we must ultimately spread out to the stars," he said.

"Astronomers believe that there is a reasonable chance of an Earth-like planet orbiting one of the stars [in] the Alpha Centauri system. But we will know more in the next two decades from ground based and space based telescopes.

"Technological developments in the last two decades and future make it possible in principle within a generation."
Prof Hawking is backing a project by Mr Milner's Breakthrough Foundation, a private organisation funding scientific research initiatives that government funders think to be too ambitious.

Expert group
The organisation has brought together an expert group of scientists to assess whether it might be possible to develop spaceships capable of travelling to another star within a generation and sending information back.

The nearest star system is 40 trillion km (25 trillion miles) away. Using current technology it would take about 30,000 years to get there.

The expert group concluded that with a little more research and development it might be possible to develop spacecraft that could cut that journey time to just 30 years.

"I'd have said that even a few years ago travel to another star at that kind of speed would not be possible," said Dr Pete Worden, who is leading the project. He is chairman of the Breakthrough Prize Foundation and a former director of Nasa's Ames Research Center in California.

"But the expert group figured out that because of developments in technology there appears to be a concept that appears to work."

The concept is to reduce the size of the spacecraft to about the size of a chip used in electronic devices. The idea is to launch a thousand of these mini-spacecraft into the Earth's orbit. Each would have a solar sail.

This is like a sail on a boat - but it is pushed along by light rather than the wind. A giant laser on Earth would give each one a powerful push, sending them on their way to reaching 20% of the speed of light.

It sounds like science fiction but Yuri Milner, who was named after Yuri Gagarin by his parents, believes that it is technically possible to develop these spacecraft and get to another star within our lifetimes.

"The human story is one of great leaps," he said. "Fifty-five years ago today, Yuri Gagarin became the first human in space. Today, we are preparing for the next great leap - to the stars."

Challenging work

There are many problems to be overcome before the first spaceships capable of going to other stars are built. These include miniaturising cameras, instruments and sensors so they fit on a chip, developing a solar sail strong enough to be blasted by a powerful laser for several minutes and find a way to get pictures and information of the new star system back to Earth.

Prof Sir Martin Sweeting, who is a researcher at the Surrey Space Centre and head of Surrey Satellite Technology in Guildford, wants to be involved in the project.
He founded a company 30 years ago that reduced the size and cost of satellites.

"A lot of what we did in the 1980s was considered very wacky but now small satellites are considered all the fashion. This (project to go to another star) is currently a wacky sounding idea but technologies have moved on and now it is not wacky it's just difficult," he told BBC News.

Prof Andrew Coates of the Mullard Space Science Laboratory, which is part of the University of London, agreed that the project would be challenging, but not impossible.
"There would be significant difficulties to solve such as ruggedisation for the space radiation and dust environment, instrument sensitivity, interaction of the high power accelerating laser with the Earth's atmosphere, spacecraft stabilisation and power provision.

"But it is a concept worth looking at to see if we could really reach another star system within a human lifetime."

But Prof Hawking believes that what was once a distant dream can and must become a reality within 30 years.

"There are no greater heights to aspire to than the stars. It is unwise to keep all our eggs in one fragile basket," he told BBC News.
"Life on Earth faces dangers from astronomical events like asteroids or supernovas".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36025706
 
I saw this on the lunch time news and the bbc science correspondent stated that the space craft would be traveling in excess of 'a million miles a second' ?????
Yes, I know. I thought the same thing. But on the evening news that comment had been edited out.
I think that the BBC should have a word with him for suggesting that it would be traveling at more than 5 times the speed of light!
Science correspondents should know at least some basic scientific stuff shouldn't they?
 
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It is important for the humanity to find other livable stellar system. It is even more important to leave our galaxy, because ...

[video=youtube;kvyeP_bI4bc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvyeP_bI4bc[/video]

:)
 

Minonian

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I had read about it and looking forward to see how its ends?

But the idea is not so original. :) Did anybody read The mote in god's eye?
 
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It is important for the humanity to find other livable stellar system. It is even more important to leave our galaxy, because ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvyeP_bI4bc

:)

From what ive heard, the risk that our solar system will collide with another during the merger with andromeda is so increadibly small its nothing to really worry about.
And even if our system is "flung" out of its galactic orbit, we will still be orbiting our sun as normal :)
 
From what ive heard, the risk that our solar system will collide with another during the merger with andromeda is so increadibly small its nothing to really worry about.
And even if our system is "flung" out of its galactic orbit, we will still be orbiting our sun as normal :)

I am optimistic about my future, after reading your comments

:D
 
huh, was thinking about it today...

At that speed it would take about 20yrs to get there. And the Wired article I read on it said that because the probe wouldn't have a breaking system, it would be able to take about 2hrs of pictures with a 2megapixel camera before it over-shot the entire system.

The part that occurred to me today...

If those pictures came back to Earth at light speed, we still wouldn't get to see them for another 4.3ish years.

So then my question is, given that money, and that time.. could we make a better telescope/camera that we can use on Earth, than what we can actually send out there?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for revolutionary propulsion systems... But you know that will be brought up when discussing the project deliverable(s).
 

Minonian

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huh, was thinking about it today...

At that speed it would take about 20yrs to get there. And the Wired article I read on it said that because the probe wouldn't have a breaking system, it would be able to take about 2hrs of pictures with a 2megapixel camera before it over-shot the entire system.

The part that occurred to me today...

If those pictures came back to Earth at light speed, we still wouldn't get to see them for another 4.3ish years.

So then my question is, given that money, and that time.. could we make a better telescope/camera that we can use on Earth, than what we can actually send out there?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for revolutionary propulsion systems... But you know that will be brought up when discussing the project deliverable(s).

We can do without better scopes because whe not just send one probe but a swarm, so the latest can serve as relay stations, and the sail can also serve as antenna.

Probably, but that isn't really the point of the project.

:) This is the first flight, the point never been to reach the maximum but to prove it can be done.
 
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I think that Hawking and Milner ought to have talked to the British Interplanetary Society. They have had a team thinking about how to send a probe to the neaerer stars for some fifteen years or so, and they came up with a laser-fusion-powered rocket to accelerate the probe to 10% of light speed. Another thing they thought about, in detail, was how to get a signal back to the Earth, to send the pictures and other data. That bit was entirely missing from the Hawking and Milner project. The BIS probe called for a 1 megawatt radio transmitter on the probe and a receiver placed at the point where the Sun could focus the incoming signal through gravitational bending. That's the sort of effort that's needed to get a signal back. The Hawking/Milner craft would have very little on-board power, so no chance of sending anything like a powerful enough signal to reach Earth. I have a feeling that the people working on the Hawking/Milner project will notice the problem and change the design in favour of something like the BIS Daedalus project.
 
I am optimistic about my future, after reading your comments

:D

Not to worry, there are far more likely and inevitable destruction events much sooner in our future than 4 billion years. ;)

Of course that doesn't mean we should sit idly by and wait for them to consume us. We are capable of incredible things when working together toward a common goal. It is rather amazing.
 
From what ive heard, the risk that our solar system will collide with another during the merger with andromeda is so increadibly small its nothing to really worry about.
And even if our system is "flung" out of its galactic orbit, we will still be orbiting our sun as normal :)


It doesn't matter if we "hit" another system or not. The collision of the interstellar gases in the two galaxies will cause a huge wave of star formation resulting in a rapid series of deadly supernovas throughout the combined galaxy system. Many of these will be close enough to wipe out life of Earth. But that won't even matter because the collision won't happen for 4 billion years. By then the earth will have been a burnt cindering husk for billions of years already.

So we'll need to find a new star system long before our collision with the Andromeda. And when the collisions happens (assuming we're still around as a species), we'll need to dodge super novas left right and center, and colonize as many worlds as possible to attempt to survive the deadly burst of star formation.
 
It doesn't matter if we "hit" another system or not. The collision of the interstellar gases in the two galaxies will cause a huge wave of star formation resulting in a rapid series of deadly supernovas throughout the combined galaxy system. Many of these will be close enough to wipe out life of Earth. But that won't even matter because the collision won't happen for 4 billion years. By then the earth will have been a burnt cindering husk for billions of years already.

So we'll need to find a new star system long before our collision with the Andromeda. And when the collisions happens (assuming we're still around as a species), we'll need to dodge super novas left right and center, and colonize as many worlds as possible to attempt to survive the deadly burst of star formation.

The best solution is to find a another galaxy

:)
 
The best solution is to find a another galaxy

:)

There's a chance we might be alright depending on where we end up, getting "flung out," or similar, but again, by that point we will have needed to move to another stellar system altogether anyway.

There's no way of knowing where we'll be by then, but odds are we'll have long since gone extinct, or perhaps evolved (naturally or otherwise) into something quite different. That doesn't mean we should sit idly by and watch it happen though.
 
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