Powerplay Hello powerplayers - does the big change change things for you?

[Agony_Aunt]

Surprised i didn't see this discussion going on here, unless you are all discussing on your private forums. Not seen much from self-declared powerplayers in the various threads as well, apart from one or two vocal people.

Unless of course, PP is so dead, hardly anyone is playing it?

I presume we can broadly paint 3 groups of people here in relation to the open only proposition.

1) PPers who will stop playing if it goes open only.
2) PPers who will continue to play if it goes open only (either because they are already in open, or because they don't mind playing in open, maybe even think it will be better).
3) Non-PPers who start playing because its open only.

I'm not bothered about the third group here. We've already seen hundreds of posts from people declaring they will get involved in PP if it goes open only.

What about you guys who have stuck with PP? You guys still here?

Will you continue to play? Will you stop? Are you already in Open? Or are you one of those nasty people, grinding away in PG/solo?

 

[Rob At Work]

its 2 for me - i do generally play PP in solo atm for game stability issues (i got fed up of staring at the loading screen between jumps)

3) group is interesting though - how many will join PP just for the PvP and not really care about any damage they do to the power they signed up to.

 

[A Sleeping Bear]

I will keep doing it. I've not been on and off with it but whenever needed by my power, I've contributed. Making it more open-oriented is a good thing but will not change how I play the game. I've always played in open.

What I find more interesting are the changes proposed that affect the BGS, being a leader of a faction these changes affect me most and though not everything is perfect, it is a huge improvement on what we have currently so I'm in favor on all the things being implemented.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

its 2 for me - i do generally play PP in solo atm for game stability issues (i got fed up of staring at the loading screen between jumps)

3) group is interesting though - how many will join PP just for the PvP and not really care about any damage they do to the power they signed up to.

You know if you have stability issues in open, if those stability issues occur during a PvP encounter, causing you to drop, you will be labelled a combat logger, reported to FD, and your encounter posted on the combat logging subreddit with the associated vitriol that occurs on that sub? Any protestations that it was a network issue will be met with disbelief and derision, and you will face a witch hunt. You will be put on a KOS list, and face harassment from people here on the forums as well.

Just thought i'd let you know

I will keep doing it. I've not been on and off with it but whenever needed by my power, I've contributed. Making it more open-oriented is a good thing but will not change how I play the game. I've always played in open.

What I find more interesting are the changes proposed that affect the BGS, being a leader of a faction these changes affect me most and though not everything is perfect, it is a huge improvement on what we have currently so I'm in favor on all the things being implemented.

Thanks for the reply. Seems fair.

I haven't looked too much into the changes that affect the BGS, but i am a little miffed that PP can/does/will affect the BGS when its in a mode i don't play. Which is why i'm considering a move to Colonia, where there are no powers.

 

[Rustnsawdust]

Or are you one of those nasty people, grinding away in PG/solo?

Yup, that'll be me (never thought of myself as 'nasty', though).

I've never PP'd, will never PP, have never played in Open, will never play in Open. And no-one can make me.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Yup, that'll be me (never thought of myself as 'nasty', though).

I've never PP'd, will never PP, have never played in Open, will never play in Open. And no-one can make me.

Yeah, sorry, but i wasn't asking people who don't PP at the moment. We have plenty of other places to tell FD and others how we don't PP and won't etc. This is for those who currently DO powerplay.

 

[Rustnsawdust]

Yeah, sorry, but i wasn't asking people who don't PP at the moment. We have plenty of other places to tell FD and others how we don't PP and won't etc. This is for those who currently DO powerplay.

Apologies - the question I quoted seemed straightforward but I should have realised your intent. [redface]

 

[A Sleeping Bear]

Thanks for the reply. Seems fair.

I haven't looked too much into the changes that affect the BGS, but i am a little miffed that PP can/does/will affect the BGS when its in a mode i don't play. Which is why i'm considering a move to Colonia, where there are no powers.

I feel I should point out, the mechanical differences are usually rather small, in truth. Zemina Torval puts all the Imperial ships in Shipyards she has, the Feds & Aisling Duval shut down all legal 'slavery', forcing it to black markets, Sirius forces 15% module & ship discount, Mahon increases production of commodities in Agricultural systems as well as making agricultural equipment sell/buy prices higher, the Emperor increases bounty payouts... Those are the ones I remember.

Regardless of the effect, a single player surely cannot make changes on these levels, this requires organised, sustained effort over potentially weeks. Powerplaying purely Solo with the intent of changing these effects or where they are applied is foolish, an exercise in futility.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Ahhh - those people.

They are my gameplay content

 

[maehara]

2) PPers who will continue to play if it goes open only (either because they are already in open, or because they don't mind playing in open, maybe even think it will be better).

This is me. I usually play in Open unless I'm boardhopping for missions, and in the 6 months I've been Powerplaying I've had... ::counts:: zero interactions with CMDRs of another Power, even when I'm in 'Hostile' territory. I suspect that Open-only itself won't make a hell of a difference, although the other changes that Sandro's proposing should breathe some life into things. I can't even work up any rage that the Ethos changes would render 6 months' of BGS system-flipping to defend Fortification bonuses moot.

So yeah, I'd hang around and continue PP if the Open-only change goes through, and at least see what happens. Genuinely curious how much more visible it would make the other Powers.

 

[Straha Yeagar]

I've been mulling this over for a few days now, and I think my thoughts have a bit of focus now.

First off, I will still participate in PP no question. I have and will only ever be pledged to one power. No desire to do the whole module shopping thing.

My first thought is based on what many Open Only Power Play proponents envision this change will do, I think they are going to be sorely disappointed in the results. The vast majority of merit hauling freighters are going to make it untouched, so the extra few that do get caught due to be forced into open will make a negligible difference in the grand scheme of the multi millions hauled every week. Undermining will still be NPC farming. In short, the ability of players to combat these largely PvE activities in any appreciable way through PvP combat will be minimal...even with everyone in Open.

Of all of the proposed changes, aside from the rage quitters and joyous joiners, I think the Open Only one is likely to have the least actual material, mechanical, tangible impact on Power Play.

I think FD made a mistake by putting the Open Only idea forward publicly, even with all of their standard disclaimers. This is perhaps the longest running, most contentious and divisive issue in the player base. They already have years, thousands of threads, thousands of players' input on this issue. They have now further polarized the playerbase, and driven wedges even deeper, and now, regardless of which direction they fall on this, a significant portion of the player base will feel betrayed by FD, as well as the other side players. On this particular issue, they would have been way better off definitively stating the Power Play was going Open Only, or not saying anything if it was staying across all modes.

 

[Rob At Work]

Well that's about half a dozen of us. I wonder if we will ever bump into each other?

 

[Rubbernuke]

2 for me, but you knew that.

Powerplay has been left to stagnate and now its time to make it something that stands apart from the other features. Building on MC/ wings and eventually squadrons will make something truly worthwhile.

I'm tired to chasing numbers on a screen, and having systems reduced to ashes by invisible opponents. Open won't fix everything, but it will put Powerplay on a better path than it is now.

 

[Dietger]

2 an 3 for me please.

Didn't much, just RP my Imperial char, undermining ...

Hope is, it getting livelier now with the proposed change.

 

[Nimitz68]

I'm probably a modified 3 - I played it for a bit in the past, didn't do much for me, kinda just left it. The complexity of it didn't turn me off, more the fact that a lot happened in Solo/PG and that seemed a bit like cheating. If the whole thing goes to Open, I might give it another whirl as it seems it would be a little more on the level, if you will.

 

[krylite]

I'd think most serious powerplayers would likely be 2). Part of the motivating rp of powerplay is devoting to your power's ideology even to be put at supposed risk in open. I'd also agree pp modules should only be able to be equipped if currently pledged to the module's origin power. LIke they put a special key/"drm" that only works if you are currently pledged.

1) imo seems more likely for those who aren't really into powerplay, but just for the modules, which frankly are mostly just bling with no real edge over regular modules.

Putting powerplay haulage into open only, could greatly help in stemming haulage bots, and 5C prepping since it seems FDev couldn't find another way to curtail those ungamely workarounds without resorting to using open.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

2 for me, but you knew that.

Powerplay has been left to stagnate and now its time to make it something that stands apart from the other features. Building on MC/ wings and eventually squadrons will make something truly worthwhile.

I'm tired to chasing numbers on a screen, and having systems reduced to ashes by invisible opponents. Open won't fix everything, but it will put Powerplay on a better path than it is now.

Heh, yeah, but its good you posted anyway, as others might not have read your other posts

 

[Goose4291]

Heh, yeah, but its good you posted anyway, as others might not have read your other posts

I agree.with Rubbernuke wholeheartedly. Ideally this should.reduce a lot of the toxicity in the Powerplay arena as well.

 

[Strangepork]

As I see it any arguments pertaining to PP not being open only are self referential and self oriented by nature. Let's make PP relevant, no matter what the overly self concerned parties are whinging about. I can't see and have not read a single valid reason why this should not be implemented.

 

[Xintar]

Played a little PP in open long ago, but left for greener pastures.
However, if PP does go to open only, I'll likely pick it up again.
Once pledged, I tend to be loyal because it's in my nature, so I probably would not partake of any fifth column shenanigans.