Help a new Rift user wuth frame rate issues please :(

zarking

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** update. Seemed to have improved my issues by taking out two memory modules that were not a perfect match for the other two I had (they appeared to be the same, but slightly different model numbers, and were slightly slower with a higher voltage). **

I have a 1070, i7 4770, 32gb RAM and ED on an SSD.
Nothing else running on the PC except ED and the oculus home.
Starting ED from the launcher, not via steam, oculus home etc.

Game looks ok mostly, though im using ED Profiler and switching between the various VR settings, low, med, high and default.
No matter which one i use, if get 45fps when docked at the station.
Inside stations also looks a bit..... watery almost, not fuzzy as such, just lacking detail.
Same on planets, 45fps, though its 90 when just roaming around in space.

If i try to push some settings, such as HMD to 1.50, or turning things to ultra, then it starts to drop frames. I've tried the VR Low seetings within ED as well, and it's still bouncing between 45fps and 90fps when sitting docked in the station.
I think im hopelessly lost in terms of what to do to get a nice resolution, decent graphics and a steady frame rate at 90.

Am i better using steamVR and launching ED from there? Oculus VR test gave everything happy green ticks and the other VR things i've been looking at (demos mostly) are running happily.

Help, please :( all advice most welcome.
 
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Gortron

Gortron
Welcome to the fun and games of trying to run your PC on the ragged edge to get 90FPS :)

I would advise turning off ASW. Hold down left alt and then press numpad 1. That will stop it locking to 45 when it can't maintain 90fps. I think it is alt+numpad 4 to turn it back on but I only ever turn it off (every time I start playing ED).

Now you can properly see what impact different settings are having on you GPU useage. You will have to mess around alot but HMD quality, AA, SS, ambient occlusion and shadows are the real GPU pushers. I'd advise not using more than FX for anti aliasing and using HMD quality over SS to sharpen up the image quality.

Good luck!
 

zarking

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thanks :)
The best i've managed to get so far is:
AA off.
SS 0.65
HMD 1.75

And shadow quality low, ambient oclusion off, everything else set to high.
This is... sort of stable, but still has big drops to 45 here and there and still looks a bit fuzzy..
 

Gortron

Gortron
If it is snapping to 45 (you never see much in between) then ASW is still on and you are seeing the graphical anomalies that come with it. Some don't notice them but others do. Straight lines get wobbly parts on them and stuff sort of shimmers. The most obvious place is in station menus which bend at the ends of the selected item as you move up and down.

If it isn't that you could try ditching SS. Set it to 1 and turn HMD up to 1.25. I don't see the benefit of turning down SS and HMD up, others swear by it though. This will sharpen things up a bit more as 0.65x1.75 = 1.13. But it might mean having to turn something else down.

Some people find changing the HUD colour from orange to blue or green helps but ED in VR is a little fuzzy. HMD 1.5 should clear up things alot but your GPU isn't going to like that. People with 1080ti still can't max out as much as they would like from what I've read.

It might be worth checking you have the Rift set up right for your head with that green line test. I find I'm more sensitive to incorrect setup in ED than other games.
 

Gortron

Gortron
If you press the oculus button on the oculus remote you get a menu come up. On the right there is a symbol with 2 rings 'change lens spacing. It is that one (couldn't remember the name for it). That needs to be as clear as possible on both axis. When I first got mine I somehow missed that you can tilt the Rift up and down during setup and it was blurred as hell on the horizontal green bars. It was like that for two weeks or so driving me nuts in ED until I accidentally twisted it downwards putting it on one day. Ran setup again realising I'd missed something and it vastly improved things for me. Lol
 
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Flapdrol1337

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I'm playing mostly at 45 fps, no supersampling with my r9 290, if I set hmd res to 1.25 it'll really stutter so probably it drops below 45 then.
 

zarking

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Well, i've been at this all day lol.
Have to admit, im not getting any nausea at all, and if im honest, even at 45fps, its not too bad.
Everything set up (thanks for the green line test tip, i missed that during the first setup somehow), that helped.
The only thing that still annoys me is the jaggy, jittery lines, and that weird "watery" effect that the outside of stations has.

Still not sure what settings are working best for me in ED, i changed everything and not seeing a huge difference (apart from shadows and AO which tank it completely if i turn them up).
I know what im doing tomorrow then :)

Overall though, even with the jaggy sometimes flickery lines, and slightly fuzzy texture at times, it does still look awesome :)
 

Gortron

Gortron
zarking said:
Well, i've been at this all day lol.
Have to admit, im not getting any nausea at all, and if im honest, even at 45fps, its not too bad.
Everything set up (thanks for the green line test tip, i missed that during the first setup somehow), that helped.
The only thing that still annoys me is the jaggy, jittery lines, and that weird "watery" effect that the outside of stations has.

Still not sure what settings are working best for me in ED, i changed everything and not seeing a huge difference (apart from shadows and AO which tank it completely if i turn them up).
I know what im doing tomorrow then :)

Overall though, even with the jaggy sometimes flickery lines, and slightly fuzzy texture at times, it does still look awesome :)
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VR is awesome, I love it. If you misses the eye spacing test entirely during set up it would have been even worse for you than me. I did the eye spacing bit but missing the horizontal was bad enough! Hehe. The lens spacing it says I set in that test is the same as my IPD in a recent sight test, which impressed me!
 

zarking

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Yeah, got the green line test done and that helps.
But, other than reducing everything to minimum, nothing helps with the 45fps in stations, I'll just live with it lol.
If I could just get rid of the jaggy lines, they flicker a lot, it is really only noticeable in stations but it's a bit distracting.
 

Alec Turner

Alec Turner
zarking said:
thanks :)
The best i've managed to get so far is:
AA off.
SS 0.65
HMD 1.75

And shadow quality low, ambient oclusion off, everything else set to high.
This is... sort of stable, but still has big drops to 45 here and there and still looks a bit fuzzy..
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I have to say that HMD 1.75 is a big ask for a 1070. I run SS 1.0 HMDQ 1.25 with a 1080.

Turn off Bloom/Blur/Ambient Occlusion/DoF. Shadow quality makes a big difference too but on the other hand, anything other than High looks horrible IMHO. You're probably right to turn off AA as well, it's a big hit on performance and doesn't work that well.
 

TorTorden_VR

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It seems somewhat familiar.

Past week or so I have been noticing that after a while performance tank. Only thing to get it back up again is to restart the game.

And this is often something that occur about half an hour or so before I end up with a crash anyway.

Yes random networking crashes are back..
 

Gortron

Gortron
zarking said:
Yeah, got the green line test done and that helps.
But, other than reducing everything to minimum, nothing helps with the 45fps in stations, I'll just live with it lol.
If I could just get rid of the jaggy lines, they flicker a lot, it is really only noticeable in stations but it's a bit distracting.
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If you can't get more than 45fps in stations no matter what you might as well start turn up settings to make use of any spare headroom you have because I doubt your GPU is maxed out. Turning AA on might help get rid of the jaggling. I'd try FXAA first. So long as you don't push things so you drop below 45fps yout might as well add some extra quality.

Does seem odd to me you can't get 90 with even low settings but I can't compare as I'm on a 1080. You might even get away with the Ultra default if you switch the SS back to 1 and change HMD to 1.25 instead and ditch ambient occlusion. Worth a shot.

Btw with 45fps with ASW on you are still seeing 90fps but only 45 are being rendered, the oculus software is making up a frames to fit in between so it's not as bad as it may seem. It shouldn't make you feel any more sick than an true 90fps
 
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zarking

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After more experiementing (and thanks for all the advice).....
I'm stuck at 45fps lol, in stations, res sites, anything, it heads up to 90 here and there, but 80% of the time im on 45, no matter what i do.
So, i've gone with SS and HMD at 1, shadows off, AO at low, and everything else at high, at least that way it looks reasonably sharp and decent.
Even with VR low i cant get more than 45fps in a res, so something about my system is killing FPS.
Is my monitor related at all? its running at 144hz, i wouldnt think so, but might be something.....
Scratch that, the EDP sets it to 60hz anyway, so that's not the issue.....
 
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Gortron

Gortron
zarking said:
After more experiementing (and thanks for all the advice).....
I'm stuck at 45fps lol, in stations, res sites, anything, it heads up to 90 here and there, but 80% of the time im on 45, no matter what i do.
So, i've gone with SS and HMD at 1, shadows off, AO at low, and everything else at high, at least that way it looks reasonably sharp and decent.
Even with VR low i cant get more than 45fps in a res, so something about my system is killing FPS.
Is my monitor related at all? its running at 144hz, i wouldnt think so, but might be something.....
Scratch that, the EDP sets it to 60hz anyway, so that's not the issue.....
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I'd really have thought you'd get 90 with those settings. Only other things I can think of is that your RAM is not running at the right speed, perhaps not in DDR mode or you are in a place with lots of other CMDRs and that's causing issues... could try solo if so.

If you are still snapping to 45 or 90 ASW is still on. You need to turn it off everytime you run ED. ED needs to be running and focused then hit alt+numpad1 and you will see fps other than just 90 or 45.

Beyond that I don't know what to suggest other than just putting up with ASW at 45 fps and ramping up graphics settings anyway.
 
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DaggerSnake

DaggerSnake
It does seem like something is wrong. I had an i5 4670k with a GTX 980 that would be 90 in spaces and around stations wih VR med. 45 on planets.

Though painful, just starting from scratch unplugging all non essentials and then an OS reinstall and slowly add peripherals back and track progress can do wonders...

These issue can be pretty frustrating for sure, and all PCs are so different.
 
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