Horizons Help with X 56

[Papa]

Hello all,

I am having a mare getting my X 56 setup. The bindings keep changing I have searched for a setup guide for ED but found nothing. Maybe because this is a new device. So any users can help?

I want to use the right analog stick for forward and reverse thrusters. But if I try and change anything, my throttle stops working. I do have a USB3 powered hub for the X 56 so power is not an issue. I did install both drivers first then the software.

What I would LOVE is for the slider switch on the throttle to be programmed for reverse throttle. And the the right analog stick to control forward and reverse thrusters. And what settings in game to use as I am not sure.

Thanks for any help. I am CMD Papa if anyone wants to know and look forward to trying some open and kicking some greafers butts. I did have the X 55 but the buttons stopped working.

Take care all

 

[Conch]

you got 2 ways of increasing trottle. so you can asign one to the hat-switch, and the normal way trought the trottle.

make sure you chose thrust forwards and backwards, and not the increase and decrease thrust, because then it will remove it from the trottle itself.

im talking about the ingame settings, and not the driver/software stuff.
its also worth the looks into the software for extra stuff, macro pips and auto scan macro.. stuff like that

 

[JetsonRING]

Hello all,

I am having a mare getting my X 56 setup. The bindings keep changing I have searched for a setup guide for ED but found nothing. Maybe because this is a new device. So any users can help?

I want to use the right analog stick for forward and reverse thrusters. But if I try and change anything, my throttle stops working. I do have a USB3 powered hub for the X 56 so power is not an issue. I did install both drivers first then the software.

What I would LOVE is for the slider switch on the throttle to be programmed for reverse throttle. And the the right analog stick to control forward and reverse thrusters. And what settings in game to use as I am not sure.

Thanks for any help. I am CMD Papa if anyone wants to know and look forward to trying some open and kicking some greafers butts. I did have the X 55 but the buttons stopped working.

Take care all

About the bindings slipping, there are articles online (somewhere) explaining where to copy your user configuration file so that it will remain in place when ED updates, etc. but I have not experienced that problem however, I am not using the Rhino software that came with the HOTAS, electing instead to bind all of the controls in the game control options menus. Yeah, it was a bear, took a couple of hours and I am still not using half the switches but, I am using the right mini-stick to control forward-back/left-right thrusters and the left mini for up-down. As for the slide switch on the throttle, the game control options will not bind it to anything, wanted to use it for the cargo scoop but since I cannot bind it I do not use it. If you find the calibration slipping (not the bindings) use Windows joy.cpl to re-calibrate, I have had to do it a couple of times now. Also, you will want to add center dead-zones to all joystick axes, including minis, as the joysticks can be twitchy and very sensitive. You can program the joystick curves to give finer control. The Saitek/MadCatz people will tell you not to use a USB hub, to connect your HOTAS directly to the PC but I use a powered USB-3 hub with no problem. I use the "TAB" key for reverse because I have not yet found a good, intuitive button on the HOTAS. The biggest obstacles I have found to using the Rhino software are : no instructions, clunky software, no instructions, no direct 1-to-1 map of game commands to profiler control settings (i.e.: some control settings in the game do not appear in the profiler) and did I mention no instructions? It's too bad that as expensive and poor in quality and design as it is, the X-56 is still the best control option.

 

[Papa]

Thank you both but I am still lost, hehe.

I wonder if the Fdevs would be so kind and add something for us to make it easy? Or maybe they can't because of Saitek? The X 55 was quite simple but for some reason the X 56 seems wrong. Or something seems wrong? If I make the slightest change like adding a binding, all the bindings are lost? It seems to reset everything if I add a new binding.

I will not freak out. I am sure there is a way as I watched a youtube guy playing ED and he said it was great. But he did not talk about settings.

Lets see if anyone else has worked it out or maybe someone from ED could chime in and give some advise. We will get there CMDs

 

[Conch]

Thank you both but I am still lost, hehe.

I wonder if the Fdevs would be so kind and add something for us to make it easy? Or maybe they can't because of Saitek? The X 55 was quite simple but for some reason the X 56 seems wrong. Or something seems wrong? If I make the slightest change like adding a binding, all the bindings are lost? It seems to reset everything if I add a new binding.

I will not freak out. I am sure there is a way as I watched a youtube guy playing ED and he said it was great. But he did not talk about settings.

Lets see if anyone else has worked it out or maybe someone from ED could chime in and give some advise. We will get there CMDs

to be clear, you want 2 ways to thrust forwards and backwards right?

 

[Papa]

to be clear, you want 2 ways to thrust forwards and backwards right?

No my friend. I have my throttle and my thrusters (not sure the wording?). My throttle is for the main engine and if I cut the throttle, I want to use the thrusters seperate. Like docking with zero throttle (just use thrusters). But I don't know what setting to use in-game and not lose my throttle. I must be doing something wrong and sorry if I am. So, maybe someone could say how they setup their thrusters and what setting in-game to use. I also noticed they changed the settings interface and that maybe has confussed me more.

I feel soooo dumb today. And I have not even opened my CV1 box yet

 

[Conch]

No my friend. I have my throttle and my thrusters (not sure the wording?). My throttle is for the main engine and if I cut the throttle, I want to use the thrusters seperate. Like docking with zero throttle (just use thrusters). But I don't know what setting to use in-game and not lose my throttle. I must be doing something wrong and sorry if I am. So, maybe someone could say how they setup their thrusters and what setting in-game to use. I also noticed they changed the settings interface and that maybe has confussed me more.

I feel soooo dumb today. And I have not even opened my CV1 box yet

i see, you got 2 options for the thrusters.

option 1: increase and decrease thrust, you probably want that on the trottle like normal.

option 2: thrust forwards and backwards. and you want this asigned to a hat-switch.

what i think you try to do is asign increase and decrease 2 times, and then it will remove the previous asigned button.
i got what you want on my X55, but got the thrusters on an hat-switch on the trottle itself.

 

[Papa]

i see, you got 2 options for the thrusters.

option 1: increase and decrease thrust, you probably want that on the trottle like normal.

option 2: thrust forwards and backwards. and you want this asigned to a hat-switch.

what i think you try to do is asign increase and decrease 2 times, and then it will remove the previous asigned button.
i got what you want on my X55, but got the thrusters on an hat-switch on the trottle itself.

That is so kind of you! You all in fact. I will try this later and yes, I want a setup like my X 55. Which is why it would be cool if the Fdevs set the thrusters up as default. No problem and have a great day all.

Btw, Any more tips very welcome! And if I find anything new I will report back

 

[Hexcaliber]

Thank you both but I am still lost, hehe.

I wonder if the Fdevs would be so kind and add something for us to make it easy? Or maybe they can't because of Saitek? The X 55 was quite simple but for some reason the X 56 seems wrong. Or something seems wrong? If I make the slightest change like adding a binding, all the bindings are lost? It seems to reset everything if I add a new binding.

I will not freak out. I am sure there is a way as I watched a youtube guy playing ED and he said it was great. But he did not talk about settings.

Lets see if anyone else has worked it out or maybe someone from ED could chime in and give some advise. We will get there CMDs

Changing control bindings in game is broken for some users and has been for some time, it has nothing to do with the x56, go back to your x55 and try to change bindings now and you will have the same problem. You would not be using the standalone launcher would you? Further, completely reinstalling the game will not fix it. It has been bug reported, yet it is still not listed as a known issue. FWIW there is already a set of custom default binds for the x56 provided with the game.

For some reason I cannot find my bug report on the issue but here is another unanswered report https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...NS-THE-GAME!?highlight=cannot+change+controls My guess it is some sort of permission issue, however, running the game as an administrator does not fix it. I have taken to manually editing the .binds file, a royal pita.

 

[Sylow]

I am not sure if I completely understand your problem. I try to replicated:
1. You change bindings they get lost.
2. You want to use the thumbsticks to control your thrusters.
3. You want to use the slider on the throttle to switch to reverse.
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On point 1: Do bindings only get lost when you change something? If yes, can you please give more information on what you change, possibly even with a video on how you do the changes?
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I see two mist likely problems:
- For whatever reason (e.g. some bug in the installer) your configuration file is set to read only. This would mean that the game can not save the changes and resets to default values again and again.
- You make a mistake in doing the bindings and somehow manage to overwrite some of your already created bindings. Due to the huge number of possible bindings and due to some of them seeming to be very similar in this game (but actually having quite different results in gameplay) this is more likely than you would expect.

On point 2: This is actually the default setup for the X-56 in Elite Dangerous, but you might want to arrange them differently. To do that, you have to go to your controls, to the section "thruster override" (or something like that, I don't have the game at hand right now). There you can bind buttons or the thumbsticks to the directional axes. Make sure to not bind your thumbsticks to the button bindings, else you only have the option of "full thrust" or "no thrust", but rather bind it to the axis itself. (Then try in a tutorial if it works like expected, don't do testing with your valuable ship. ) Depending on what you bound, it might be necessary to switch it to reverse.
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On point 3: Using the slider in Elite Dangerous is a little tricky, but i figured out how to get it to be used. Mind you, I have not tested if Elite Dangerous now recognizes the slider of the X-56, but for sure it did not recognize that of the X-55. When I migrated (as my X-55 broke down and was returned on warranty) I did not test a change, but just immediately used what I know that it is working.
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Steps to get it working:
- Use the programming tool for the joystick to bind a key to the slider. I used the pause button, as that one is not used anywhere else and does not create problems even when I forget the slider in the on position. (I started with it being bound to Alt, but soon had to notice that this of course triggered a number of key combinations and thus was a very bad idea. )
- Go to the throttle section in the games configuration menu.
- Bind the same button to the reverse option there.
- If the binding is set to "toggle", change it to "hold".
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Then the throttle will be set to reverse as long as the slider is being activated, and your ship will fly forward again when you move the slider to the "off" postion. (Mind you, i use the slider in a different way, though. I use another key to toggle reverse, but have flight assist off on "hold". One button on my joystick is bound to flight assist off, and the slider on the throttle is so, too. If i want FA OFF for just a moment, i press the button on the joystick for a quick turn, if i know that i want to stay in FA off for a little longer, i move the slider on the throttle as it keeps the key pressed by itself for as long as i want it to. )
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I hope this helps. If it does not, please give me more information on your problem.

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A small addendum on the binding: yes, using the MadCatz software unfortunately requires you to save a profile and manually reload it every time you restart the computer. I have not found the option yet to make the software automatically load the configuration again after reboot.
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If somebody knows a way to make that happen, please let me know.
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That being said, i very much advise to use such a profile, anyway. I found it very useful to bind several energy management presets to the two 4-way switches on the throttle, so i just move one of them into one direction and immediately have the energy distribution i want. It's much more convenient than the default "down-left-up-up-right-right-enter-Nintendo-code" default method.
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[Papa]

Sylow and all you people are soooo cool!

I am quite sure after reading your post that I am indeed doing something wrong as I am chosing the X56 profile in ED settings and then try changing the bindings for my thrusters. I will find a quiet space outside a station and play around as I re-read all these messages. I am sure I will get there. The flight assist off sounds way cool for the slider!!! I must try that one.

I really do appreciate all your help! Take good care all

 

[JetsonRING]

Sylow and all you people are soooo cool!

I am quite sure after reading your post that I am indeed doing something wrong as I am chosing the X56 profile in ED settings and then try changing the bindings for my thrusters. I will find a quiet space outside a station and play around as I re-read all these messages. I am sure I will get there. The flight assist off sounds way cool for the slider!!! I must try that one.

I really do appreciate all your help! Take good care all

I wound up binding FA to the button on the top, forward part of the right side of the joystick. I never hit it by accident and it is handy, right there if I need it. Bind controls OUTSIDE stations! I tested my thrusters inside a station, bounced around the inside of the station for a minute before being "cleared" by the station lasers! Expensive lesson.

 

[Papa]

Changing control bindings in game is broken for some users and has been for some time, it has nothing to do with the x56, go back to your x55 and try to change bindings now and you will have the same problem. You would not be using the standalone launcher would you? Further, completely reinstalling the game will not fix it. It has been bug reported, yet it is still not listed as a known issue. FWIW there is already a set of custom default binds for the x56 provided with the game.

For some reason I cannot find my bug report on the issue but here is another unanswered report https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...NS-THE-GAME!?highlight=cannot+change+controls My guess it is some sort of permission issue, however, running the game as an administrator does not fix it. I have taken to manually editing the .binds file, a royal pita.

I hope not my friend but will test that later too. Maybe we need a way to get it how we want and save a profile. I will try everything and thanks for your help.

 

[Sylow]

I wound up binding FA to the button on the top, forward part of the right side of the joystick. I never hit it by accident and it is handy, right there if I need it. Bind controls OUTSIDE stations! I tested my thrusters inside a station, bounced around the inside of the station for a minute before being "cleared" by the station lasers! Expensive lesson.

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Sounds inconvenient. What do you do when you want FA off and at the same time fire your weapons? Your index finger can only be on one of those two buttons.
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I actually bound "deploy/store weapons" to that button, as this never conflicts with my trigger. FA OFF on the other hand I have bound to pinkie finger button, as that means I just tighten my grip a little and go FA OFF, without affecting what my index finger and thumb are doing.
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[Papa]

Hexcaliber you are so right. What a let down.

Here's what I did.

1: Use the windows calibration tool and get everything calibrated
2: Start ED and to to options and select the X 56 profile in controler options
3: Bind very slowly and go through the whole setup

Back to game and all is working but the thrusters are digital and not analog. I test the buttons and open the galaxy map. it zooms out and I cannot find a way to get the map to zoom down to a system. I can with my mouse but as soon as I let go of my mouse it auto zooms out again. If I go back to change anything then all bindings are lost again. So annoying. So the key here is you have to bind everything in one go and never go back. Oh poo as I don't know what I need yet. So an annoying thing indeed. I did wait weeks before opening my X 56 box hoping all this stuff would be fixed right now. One reason my CV1 has sat in the box for weeks too.

So, I need two peices of advise. How to I get analog thruster (not a problem if not) and how do I get the galaxy map to not zoom out as soon as the map opens? I LOVE the analog joysticks in the galaxy map. That is way cool. Just need to pin down the final peices of this puzzle. I wonder if this is a clue to the aliens?

It would really save so much time if one of the kind Devs would give us any tricks they have found. But at least I am making small progress.

Cheers all!

 

[Sylow]

Not sure for all of it, but some points:
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1. On the galaxy map zooming out, that one is a common thing. The default setup puts zoom on one of the rotaries on the throttle. So if your rotary is not zeroed when opening the map, the game sees that the axis is active and starts to zoom in or out. My advice is to remove the binding or change it to something else. Any button or 4 way works better than the rotary, so moving it somewhere else would even be a good idea without the side-effect of the zoom running mad when the rotary is not centered.
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2. How did you bind the thumbsticks? I guess you bound it to the "thrust left", "thrust right" and so on bindings? That is for buttons and thus for digital "on or off" use. Unfortunately I don't know the exact wording for the binding you need, but it is along the line "Thrust axis X/Y/Z" or something like that. If you bind it to that, it works in an analog manner. (I'll come back to this thread to give the proper name once I am at home and have access to the game. )
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I hope this helps.

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Addendum: that with not saving and stuff sucks badly. I was not aware of it, but you should make some noise about it in the bug reporting section. Unfortunately as I don't have the problem I also can't reproduce it or make any reports about it, but that problem seems to be very basic and deserves much attention. (After all, refining the setup is a normal process, I think. I keep updating and changing my setup regularily. )

 

[Papa]

Sylow that would be super kind!

I will have a break for a few hours and think about this too. It does all seem to be fine and I just have to go slow and work out the XY & Z thing The rotary advise is very much apreciated too.

Good stuff

Update! I got it working using the XYZ thing! But my left and right thrusters are swapped but I will not risk messing anything up and stay away from that control menu.

Massive thank you to all who helped. Such a cool comuinty! Take care all and see you out there

 

[Papa]

Edit 2.1

All fixed!!! I can even save my profile now and it works. I had to unistall the Saitek software and now everything is fine. Happy days and cheers again!

Btw, the X 56 is wonderful. I am very happy with it

 

[Sylow]

On loosing the bindings when leaving the game: Ouch! Raise hell on support and in the bug reports. Whatever that is, that's unacceptable. Sorry, but i have no idea how to fix that.
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On the bindings, sorry that it took me somewhat longer to give feedback, my lucky streak just caught up to me again. After the X-55 breaking down a few weeks ago, now today finally i found out which other component in my system it was, which was sometimes creating problems when booting and other side effects. My GPU today called it quits, which slowed me down a little. (On the other hand, if that solves my problems with the slightly unstable system and at the same time gives me an excuse to get a new GPU, that's fine... )
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After that story being told, once support helped you resolve the problem with loosing the keybinding (I wish you very good luck in getting that fixed. ) to the part of what you want your thumbsticks bound to. You want to go to "Flight Thrust" and bind "Lateral Thrust Axis" to "Joy RX-Axis". To do that, select the field, then move the thumbstick. (I very much guess you know that, but i want to be sure. ) Set it to "Regular" and add a minimum deadzone, else its high sensitivity will be very annoying. Then do the same for "Vertical Thrust Axis", but bind that to "Yox-RY-Axis". Mine for some reason is "inverted", so i advise to also do that. Then do the same for "Thrust Forward and Backward", but use the other thumbstick for that. For the lateral axis of the second thumbstick i yet have to find good use.
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For the throttle itself, you have to go to "Flight Throttle" and bind "Throttle Axis" the same way as you are used to bind them. I think that's also perfectly fine in the default options.
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I have no idea if i told you anything new with this, i think your actual problems rather come from the the bug of not being able to save your configuration, but i wish you very good luck and success and if you have any further questions, just go ahead.

 

[Sylow]

Edit 2.1

All fixed!!! I can even save my profile now and it works. I had to unistall the Saitek software and now everything is fine. Happy days and cheers again!

Btw, the X 56 is wonderful. I am very happy with it

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Ah. I only read that now. Congrats to having everything sorted out and wish you fun.