Hey, how about some "Reasonable Suspicion" here, eh?

[Some Useless Geek]

Don't you guys have Reasonable Suspicion over there in Merry Ol' England? What the heck?!? Why are cops interdicking my Type 9 -- causing eight grand worth of damage, by the way -- and then just flitting off as if nothing happened? No message, nuthin'. If that kinda crap happened here in The Good Ol' USA there would be civil liability out the yingus-yangus. Scummy coppers don't even bother to apologize for dinging up my barge, nothing. ats.

And along those lines, an interdiction -- any interdiction without justification -- should immediately change the interdicker's status to WANTED because of the damage inflicted by the interdiction. It's just as if the interdicker fired weapons on the interdickee. Why hasn't this been fixed long ago?

 

[Calvert]

Blunt answer: it's not fixed because it ain't wrong.

Longer answer: you get damage because you try to outrun it and fail. The cops are pulling you over and you are running away! Even in the U S of A I think they get angry about that even if it turns out you were innocent of a crime!

To avoid damage, throttle to 0 and you will submit damage free. If you aren't wanted they'll go on their way.

 

[Jenner]

I think the violence perpetuated by the authorities in this game are actually more similar to 'Merican policing. (I'm American for the record, lol)

Anyway I think the system as it's implemented works well enough. Think of it as the 'Stop And Frisk' system from the NYPD.

 

[sqzbox1]

There is a message in your notifications window that tells you it is a police stop. Read that and submit - just like in real life. Run away from the cops and you will be chased!

 

[Julissa Silver]

I think the violence perpetuated by the authorities in this game...

Are you suggesting that there's violence inherent in the system? *nudge nudge*

 

[KidA39]

Help! Help! He's being repressed!

 

[Danger Mouse]

There is a message in your notifications window that tells you it is a police stop. Read that and submit - just like in real life. Run away from the cops and you will be chased!

In real life cops check your licence. In this game they are the ones who immediately run away. In Beta the cops would at least scan you after dicting you, but not in the released game. That part needs to be fixed.

 

[Some Useless Geek]

Yes, it is wrong. This is not Stop and Frisk (which has yet to appear before the Supreme Court, where it is going to get creamed), this is Violate and Harass. By the way, I have tried going to zero throttle, and my ship takes damage anyway. Besides, when I get pulled over by a copper here in the States he at least has his lights and siren to tell me who he is. In supercruise there is no difference between a "legitimate" stop and a pirate attack. I'm not going to submit to an interdiction when there is a possibility that it's some missile- and beam-equipped Anaconda psycho on a killing spree.

To repeat: cops should not be stopping legitimate traffic without just cause. Cops should identify themselves before attempting to stop any vessel. In fact, the first step should be the cop sending comms saying, "Please drop to N space for a scan," or something to that effect before resorting to an interdiction.

So, ANY interdiction other than law enforcement pursuing a criminal should count as an attack, and the interdicker should be immediately tagged as a scumbag. That way my turrets can open up on him before he opens up on me. As it is, I have to wait for the scumbag to light me up before I can respond. As Early says, "Does that seem right to you?"

Supplement: Oh? There is a tiny little message in tiny little six point type in a tiny little window that tells me a copper is attempting the interdiction? Then how about if that message instead sez, "Drop out of SC" before the Nuclear Option of interdiction? By the way, I don't recall ever seeing such a message. Perhaps it's because I am trying to save my own ass from an Anaconda-whoppin' that I haven't noticed it. The message needs to be one of those big, 42 point bold Helvetica messages that appear in blue in the middle of your HUD. Anything else is rubbish.

 

[Cryptex]

Well first off, I feel your pain in a way. They can be pretty annoying sometimes. I wouldn't mind them so much if they would quit doing it right as I'm about to drop at a station.
Second off, they do pop you a message in bright red colors in the upper left hand panel.
Damage can occur whether you throttle down, go max speed, are the interdictor, or the interdictee. Any number of combos. Depending on who you interdict and in what ship, the damage costs can be more or less. In a T9? That little $8000 repair fee that you may or may not get is like a ticket they may or may not give if you happen to be speeding. Given, this is space, but you catch my drift.
Lastly.. If you are flying a T9 in Open play fearing psycho Anacondas.. Well you have other problems and may want to consider switching to Solo. Then it will only be predictable NPCs and cops you have to worry about. Otherwise, to each their own.. You kinda get whats coming if you get hit up in that missile loving oversized paperweight turned space-brick while flying by yourself.
Space is dangerous man.. it's even in the name

In all seriousness though, I would only be more upset if the expenses for it were extremely high. As it stands, you should be making way more in a T9 then that measly little repair bill. At that rate, I wouldn't let it bother you. You can spin it any way you want if you are looking for realism in this game though.
Also, illegal interdictions do fine the interdictor for doing so. It also lowers their reputation with the faction of the system.

 

[Webimpulse]

If that kinda crap happened here in The Good Ol' USA there would be civil liability out the yingus-yangus. Scummy coppers don't even bother to apologize for dinging up my barge, nothing.

You're forgetting one thing. This ain't 'Merica. It ain't even England.

This is SPACE.

Space is supposed to be harsh and punishing. Sure, there may be a rule of law in place (if you're lucky enough to be in a system with one), but when you're dealing with vast stretches of, well, space, it can get kind of hard to enforce. Therefore, think Judge Dredd - since you can't hope to respond to every crime in space because of the emptiness of space, you want to be brutal authoritarian so pilots think twice before defying authority.

Yeah, it may not be morally right. But when it comes to enforcing space, it's either that or let far too many crimes slip through your fingers because you were too soft. They call it the final frontier for a reason.

Edit: Yeah, I suppose a better warning system for when authorities try to scan your ship would be helpful. But at least there's one in place in the form of the top left text box...it's not perfect, but it's better than nothing when the UI of Elite: Dangerous is pretty dense as it is.

 

[X-Terminator]

However, you don't get "You are clear CMDR. On your way." so it leaves you wondering if you are free to jump!
Here in UK any Cunstable may pull you over and if you try playing the freeman or stick up to your rights they make a note on you that you are not respective to the law - it goes on record. Dodgy lot they are!

 

[Webimpulse]

However, you don't get "You are clear CMDR. On your way." so it leaves you wondering if you are free to jump!

From my experience, you do get that message when they are done. I've been scanned several times by system authorities and they always say something like "go about your business," "carry on," etc. when they're done. It just pops up in the upper left corner of the screen with the other text messages.

 

[CTCParadox]

The message needs to be one of those big, 42 point bold Helvetica messages that appear in blue in the middle of your HUD. Anything else is rubbish.

This. If we are going to have random police interdictions then if the police are stopping you it should be obvious. They should scan your ship and then another big notification saying "FREE TO GO". If you engage FSD before then you get fined.

Also the rate of police interdictions should depend on whether you've been naughty recently. Say during the past week or so.

 

[X-Terminator]

From my experience, you do get that message when they are done. I've been scanned several times by system authorities and they always say something like "go about your business," "carry on," etc. when they're done. It just pops up in the upper left corner of the screen with the other text messages.

Only Security. Not by Police & Military Interdictions.

 

[Some Useless Geek]

Yeah, so how about some consistency in the way law enforcement is carried out? My very first question is, WHY THE HELL AM I BEING INTERDICTED IF I AM CLEAN?!? I mean, come on! There are pirates out there, for crying out loud! Why the heck are these fuzz harshing my buzz when I am just truckin'?

By the way, all this is occurring in Solo. The myriad cheaters convinced me to stay in my own little world, but even that is contaminated by bad game play.

So, this is what we need:

• Large blue message indicating a cop wants to pull you over.
• Time to slow down and drop to N space.
• Large blue message telling you you're free to go or you have a fine.

Of course, if there was any justice about who gets pulled down and why, none of this would be under discussion.

 

[Han Brannigan]

If that kinda crap happened here in The Good Ol' USA there would be civil liability out the yingus-yangus

Thats prolly why they tend to shoot you - you can hardly sue them after. In reality though the police in the US has more restrictions then in many European countries esp. when it comes to stop and search. Example bc I live < 50 km from the Austrian border the Police has the right to search me, my house and my car very thouroghly without any warrant or reasonable suspicion ....

 

[Snarfbuckle]

Second off, they do pop you a message in bright red colors in the upper left hand panel.

A message that is ONLY visible if I actually look up towards that screen so text messages are visible.

A better way would be a bright red message of "PULL OVER THIS IS THE LAW" in the center of the screen.

Tiny text messages out of the corner of my eye are kind of useless.

And seriously, unless one is a member of law enforcement ANY interdiction should class as piracy and make you wanted.

After all, what's the point with piracy if it's...well...legal.

 

[SteveLaw]

In real life

There's your problem, DM.

 

[sqzbox1]

If you ask me (and you probably aren't but I'm sayin' anyhow) this is all "much ado about nothing". Good grief! It's a game and its design is just the way it is. Just get used to expanding your field of view - see things happening around you - be a better pilot because it is a dangerous universe out there and who has time to be polite, or make the screen the way YOU want it to be! I can see the messages, others can see the messages, just get better at it. I can't recall the exact words (been a while since I've been interdicted) but it's something like "This is a random Police stop" or some such.

 

[EdzUp]

I think the violence perpetuated by the authorities in this game are actually more similar to 'Merican policing. (I'm American for the record, lol)

Anyway I think the system as it's implemented works well enough. Think of it as the 'Stop And Frisk' system from the NYPD.

just they stop and frisk you with a several ton ship, tis a bit hard not to cause damage frisking someone with something as big as a lorry