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AaronTee · Dec 18, 2014

I have just been attacked by a clean standing NPC. I have a wanted level due to a 'misunderstanding' with the law, but nonetheless, I waited to be attacked and then let rip on the guy. I killed him no worries but now have a huge bounty on my head.
He attacked me first, why do I get the bounty? It was self defence. Answer me this crew.

Mirex · Dec 18, 2014

You were wanted, right?

Drunkenmonk · Dec 18, 2014

Because you had a bounty yourself,due to your misunderstanding with the law?

Keeval · Dec 18, 2014

AaronTee said:
I have just been attacked by a clean standing NPC. I have a wanted level due to a 'misunderstanding' with the law, but nonetheless, I waited to be attacked and then let rip on the guy. I killed him no worries but now have a huge bounty on my head.
He attacked me first, why do I get the bounty? It was self defence. Answer me this crew.

As you were "wanted" the clean NPC/player attacking you will not get a bounty/fine for engaging you. So when you fired back he/she will still be "Clean" and therefore your bounty will increase.

ETA: I'm not sure if this is the way it is supposed to work or not, as I'd expect you to have a right of retaliation if the other ship engaged you first. We'd need a Developer to clarify this though.

Bones · Dec 18, 2014

If you were a Wanted Commander, you were being bounty hunted by a clean hunter NPC, nothing unusual about that, you opened fire on a clean pilot, you bad, bad person

Frenotx · Dec 18, 2014

There seem to be some issues with this. I had a similar situation, except I WASN'T wanted. I was just sitting there, minding my own business. A sidewinder attacked me. I turned around and blasted him. Received a bounty and a wanted status for "assault". Ticked the incident, since from what I understand, self defense isn't suppose to be a crime.

RedWizzard · Dec 18, 2014

In real life, if the police start shooting a wanted criminal and the guy returns fire he is going to be charged and the police will not. Same thing is happening here.

Zing Freelancer · Dec 18, 2014

Attacking wanted criminals, even with 400 credits bounty is legal.
Defending yourself against a bounty hunter who wants those 400 credits is not.
Running is always an option.

Dai · Dec 18, 2014

just checking that when he opened fire , he actually hit your ship? You HAVE to wait until the opponent actually gets a registered hit before you can fight back, just shooting at you and missing doesn't count!

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but what the others said is true too soo.......

Morbad · Dec 18, 2014

AaronTee said:
I have just been attacked by a clean standing NPC. I have a wanted level due to a 'misunderstanding' with the law, but nonetheless, I waited to be attacked and then let rip on the guy. I killed him no worries but now have a huge bounty on my head.
He attacked me first, why do I get the bounty? It was self defence. Answer me this crew.

Same reason I'd spend the rest of my life in prison if I killed an officer of the law in self-defense.

Criminal justice system is harsh in most of the galaxy. Having a bounty means you are an outlaw. You have no legal protections, but those that don't have bounties still do.

Keeval said:
ETA: I'm not sure if this is the way it is supposed to work or not, as I'd expect you to have a right of retaliation if the other ship engaged you first. We'd need a Developer to clarify this though.

There is nothing to clarify. "Clean" pilots can fire on "Wanted" pilots with legal impunity. "Wanted" pilots can't legally do anything except die.

Bones · Dec 18, 2014

Morbad said:
There is nothing to clarify. "Clean" pilots can fire on "Wanted" pilots with legal impunity. "Wanted" pilots can't legally do anything except die.

..or they can escape, pay their fines, kiss some butt to get their rep back in shape and behave?

Beans · Dec 18, 2014

Your choice is to either pay your fines or expect hostility from all Authority ships and Bounty Hunters, if you're not looking to rack up Bounty Hunter or Authority kills then I'd advise jumping to the nearest outpost pronto and clearing your slate. Keep your hardpoints stowed whilst around non-combatants and they might decide to give you a wide berth, going near them brandishing your weapons will instigate a "defensive" attack.

In a game where parking violations are punishable by fiery death don't expect anyone to be lenient over your "misunderstandings". Harsh but... fun!

Pete · Dec 18, 2014

Frenotx said:
I was just sitting there, minding my own business. A sidewinder attacked me. I turned around and blasted him. Received a bounty and a wanted status for "assault". Ticked the incident, since from what I understand, self defense isn't suppose to be a crime.

Two things here:
1) They have to land a shot on you before you can retaliate - just shooting around you doesn't count for anything
2) You need to report that they attacked you, otherwise there's no record of it, so if they are the first to file the report when you shoot them back, then it looks like you attacked them first! So if your "reporting crimes against me" is turned off you might have this issue.

Point 2) should only be an issue now if someone attacks you whilst you're both still CLEAN - they will remain CLEAN if you don't report them. If they're showing as WANTED I think you can attack them whenever you like (as long as you can see they're WANTED).

-- Pete.

blueski · Dec 18, 2014

Its weird how you can pick up a bounty for a docking infraction, for which the punishment is death..

mbabbs · Dec 18, 2014

Frenotx said:
There seem to be some issues with this. I had a similar situation, except I WASN'T wanted. I was just sitting there, minding my own business. A sidewinder attacked me. I turned around and blasted him. Received a bounty and a wanted status for "assault". Ticked the incident, since from what I understand, self defense isn't suppose to be a crime.

If you have 'report crimes against you' switched off, then the game is working as designed. Check your console functions on the right side.

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blueski said:
Its weird how you can pick up a bounty for a docking infraction, for which the punishment is death..

Its to prevent griefing.

Tunis · Dec 18, 2014

Morbad said:
There is nothing to clarify. "Clean" pilots can fire on "Wanted" pilots with legal impunity. "Wanted" pilots can't legally do anything except die.

or since they are wanted and dont mind the law they can just kill all they want without worry...

it will only add some numbers beside their name and maybe attract some npc on them x)

i dont know what the problem is here...

a wanted is a person that dont respect the law, all the people who respect the law can atack him to claim the bounty.
a wanted person can do what he want, he will just add some numbers to his own bounty if he kill other, or he can go dock and pay is own bounty, or just let it be and still do trading. the only thing that changed is that since you are research dead or alive the people atacking you dont take bounty, and it's normal ^^

edit : for the one just before me, it is a bug clearly said by the dev on the forum already...

Komemiute · Dec 18, 2014

RedWizzard said:
In real life, if the police start shooting a wanted criminal and the guy returns fire he is going to be charged and the police will not. Same thing is happening here.

You obviously haven't been in Italy... *groan*

Frank · Dec 18, 2014

blueski said:
Its weird how you can pick up a bounty for a docking infraction, for which the punishment is death..

...And yet in real life there is no death sentence for parking offences. It's just another one of those ways where a computer game world is better than reality.

AaronTee · Dec 18, 2014

You've all got good points about this, although, I was attacked by a normal NPC, not a cop. I had another occasion where I was attacking a wanted NPC and a cop flies right in front of me and BOOM, now I'm wanted. I know that is a bit harder to code out, but still, getting attacked and not being able to defend one's self is not on. I will try this option about reporting crimes against me though, I didn't even think about that. I'll be in touch later. Thanks everyone

Faerie · Dec 18, 2014

Looks to me like everything was working as intended. The game can be unforgiving, so the best advice I can give is that if you've had a "misunderstanding" with the law, you make it a (very) high priority to clear things up before they get worse.
Try to find an Outpost (rather than a space station) alligned to whatever faction you have upset. Outposts have no security patrols who might scan & attack you, so you should be OK to dock there & pay off any fines to clear your name.