Hide "First discovered by INSERT VULGAR USERNAME"

[fadingtrails]

Am I the only one who doesn't see the value in the 'Discovered' and 'Mapped by' tags? They're the ED equivalent of "First!" comments on Youtube.

Wouldn't it be enough to know 'someone' was there before us? Finding out I'm following in the footsteps of player 'AlanFluffyCrack' does nothing for my immersion.

Please allow players to hide these player names and save themselves the obscenity.

 

[Para Handy]

Don't fret too much. A while back some bright spark had spelled out with their track a particularly offensive word on the 3D map which apps like EDDiscovery show. Thankfully that is now obliterated by the myriad of other tracks that time and new commanders have produced.

 

[nanite2000]

Unfortunately, vulgar usernames are a more accurate reflection of reality. Just browse any social media site, especially Reddit.

I can imagine in the future, the Pilot's Federation would require all pilots to register a unique handle, and will have no opinion on whether it's considered vulgar or not.

Not saying I agree with it - only that it would be less realistic if everyone in the future was polite and sophisticated.

 

[SlouchMonster]

Not saying I agree with it - only that it would be less realistic if everyone in the future was polite and sophisticated.

Yup. People have been vulgar as long as there have been people. Look up roman graffiti for some gems.
The Hagia Sophia has viking runes that basically say "Halvdan was here".
Archaeologists find artifacts and call them "fertility symbols" but most times I bet they're 'marital aides'.

Humans are rude, vulgar beings ruled by our impulses.

 

[fadingtrails]

Unfortunately, vulgar usernames are a more accurate reflection of reality. Just browse any social media site, especially Reddit.

I can imagine in the future, the Pilot's Federation would require all pilots to register a unique handle, and will have no opinion on whether it's considered vulgar or not.

Not saying I agree with it - only that it would be less realistic if everyone in the future was polite and sophisticated.

Yup. People have been vulgar as long as there have been people. Look up roman graffiti for some gems.
The Hagia Sophia has viking runes that basically say "Halvdan was here".
Archaeologists find artifacts and call them "fertility symbols" but most times I bet they're 'marital aides'.

Humans are rude, vulgar beings ruled by our impulses.

You guys are arguing vulgarity is justified by its existence alone, and should be accepted for that. Because I wasn't trying to deny human nature, I was questioning the merits of allowing obscenity in a Teen-rated (or any) game when we have a choice.

 

[Malkevin]

Part of the perks of being an explorer is getting your name something.

What I would like to see is a map filter that highlights discovered and undiscovered systems

 

[SlouchMonster]

You guys are arguing vulgarity is justified by its existence alone, and should be accepted for that. Because I wasn't trying to deny human nature, I was questioning the merits of allowing obscenity in a Teen-rated (or any) game when we have a choice.

That wasn't my point at all. You said the vulgar names break your immersion. My point was that was that the vulgarity is not abnormal (moral discussions aside).

If you disagree with the vulgarity because of the game's rating then it sounds like what you want is a profanity filter (or a better one).

However the example that you gave (AlanFluffyCrack) isn't explicitly vulgar, suggestive yes, but not vulgar. If you don't know what it implies then it's just word salad. How many children movies or TV shows have suggestive name or visual gags that will go right over the kids head but will give parents a chuckle?

Removing/disallowing racist, sexist, profane etc. usernames is one thing. Hiding all user names because you can stand the crack* is something entirely different.

*crack: 1) noun, a joke.
2) noun, a crevice or separation of an object
3) a light hearted double entendre.

 

[nanite2000]

What I would like to see is a map filter that highlights discovered and undiscovered systems

Would a partially mapped system count as 'discovered' or 'undiscovered'?

 

[Para Handy]

Part of the perks of being an explorer is getting your name something.

What I would like to see is a map filter that highlights discovered and undiscovered systems

So you don't want to explore and discover things yourself, you want the GalMap to tell you where to go to "tag" something?

 

[fadingtrails]

That wasn't my point at all. You said the vulgar names break your immersion. My point was that was that the vulgarity is not abnormal (moral discussions aside).

If you disagree with the vulgarity because of the game's rating then it sounds like what you want is a profanity filter (or a better one).

However the example that you gave (AlanFluffyCrack) isn't explicitly vulgar, suggestive yes, but not vulgar. If you don't know what it implies then it's just word salad. How many children movies or TV shows have suggestive name or visual gags that will go right over the kids head but will give parents a chuckle?

Removing/disallowing racist, sexist, profane etc. usernames is one thing. Hiding all user names because you can stand the crack* is something entirely different.

*crack: 1) noun, a joke.
2) noun, a crevice or separation of an object
3) a light hearted double entendre.

Is my point that vulgarity IS abnormal? No, my point is that such usernames are in bad taste and that no one plays a space sim for the joy of discovering planets... named after someone's body parts. Which was just an example. There are plenty of nicknames that 'are' explicitly vulgar (and you really don't have to be explicit to be vulgar).

People who choose such nicknames aren't trying to be clever, they're not trying to convey a well thought out (hidden) joke like a TV show would. They're either extremely churlish or actively out to disrupt people's game.

If the example I gave amuses you, then more power to you. I'm only asking for the option to hide such usernames from exploration. I don't expect others to share my sensibilities or to live by them!

Arguing vulgarity is in the spirit of the game, because, you know, vulgarity, just isn't good enough guys.

 

[SlouchMonster]

no one plays a space sim for the joy of discovering planets... named after someone's body parts.

I do, in part.

People who choose such nicknames aren't trying to be clever, they're not trying to convey a well thought out (hidden) joke like a TV show would. They're either extremely churlish or actively out to disrupt people's game.

*citation needed

If names are vulgar, profanity filter bypassing, naughty words: report them. That way, you won't have to see them anymore and neither others who could be upset but it. That seems a better way of dealing with the issue of 'Mr Phil McRakin' then just ignoring it, call it out and be proactive.

Generally speaking vulgarity isn't nice and it isn't clever. But people can be, and are vulgar. And E.D. is played by people. If you don't like what a person is saying, ignoring them won't fix it, silencing them won't fix it (for long), but having a discussion with them, ask why they chose to say what they did and listen to what they have to say, try to understand them, have a discussion, and maybe they will understand you more too. And maybe they won't be so vulgar next time.

IMHO assuming their motive is churlish and arrogant, just sayin'.

 

[Skip Rockbounder]

I do, in part.


*citation needed

If names are vulgar, profanity filter bypassing, naughty words: report them. That way, you won't have to see them anymore and neither others who could be upset but it. That seems a better way of dealing with the issue of 'Mr Phil McRakin' then just ignoring it, call it out and be proactive.

Generally speaking vulgarity isn't nice and it isn't clever. But people can be, and are vulgar. And E.D. is played by people. If you don't like what a person is saying, ignoring them won't fix it, silencing them won't fix it (for long), but having a discussion with them, ask why they chose to say what they did and listen to what they have to say, try to understand them, have a discussion, and maybe they will understand you more too. And maybe they won't be so vulgar next time.

IMHO assuming their motive is churlish and arrogant, just sayin'.

I think that the OP has a point, it's often the 'SPIRIT' of the game is that is important to immersion and objectionable references often break that immersion, and are definitely against the Spirit.

That some support and even endorse such behaviour doesn't make it right or acceptable.

defecating on a doorstep may amuse some but that's the street you'll all live in without thinking ahead.

 

[varonica]

Am I the only one who doesn't see the value in the 'Discovered' and 'Mapped by' tags? They're the ED equivalent of "First!" comments on Youtube.

Wouldn't it be enough to know 'someone' was there before us? Finding out I'm following in the footsteps of player 'AlanFluffyCrack' does nothing for my immersion.

Please allow players to hide these player names and save themselves the obscenity.

You want an option to hide all players names or just the ones you personally don't like? Customisation is all very well, but there comes a point where most of the time developing is spent on rather complicated coding to satisfy a single individual. You see I am guessing if you don't want to see them on "discovered by" in the galmaop you probably alo don't want to see them popping up in the codex when you view that lookign at discoveries, or in the HUD when that particular CMDR attacks you etc ect. It has ramifications that stretch all through the game and could end up introducing no end of bugs just to satifsy one individuals foible. You think they are obscene, that's a personal opinion, I have never once come across an obscene name ingame in any activity or screen, so no, let's not make major alterations to all aspects of the game to satisfy one players rather strange idea of the obscene.

 

[m0rl0ck]

I think that the OP has a point, it's often the 'SPIRIT' of the game is that is important to immersion and objectionable references often break that immersion, and are definitely against the Spirit.

That some support and even endorse such behaviour doesn't make it right or acceptable.

defecating on a doorstep may amuse some but that's the street you'll all live in without thinking ahead.

Defecating on a doorstep is vandalism and is criminal behavior, not even in the same ball park as the kind of childish vulgarity some in this thread are complaining about.
Im not personally bothered by occasional immature vulgarity, so i have no dog in this particular fight, but to conflate that with criminal behavior is going overboard.

 

[Skip Rockbounder]

Defecating on a doorstep is vandalism and is criminal behavior, not even in the same ball park as the kind of childish vulgarity some in this thread are complaining about.
Im not personally bothered by occasional immature vulgarity, so i have no dog in this particular fight, but to conflate that with criminal behavior is going overboard.

My point is that where something is allowed to creep in it opens the doors of acceptance to often become the norm... you build your own hell!

 

[SlouchMonster]

I think that the OP has a point, it's often the 'SPIRIT' of the game is that is important to immersion and objectionable references often break that immersion, and are definitely against the Spirit.

Saying someone is playing against the "Spirit of the game" is close if not the same as saying they're not playing correctly. An argument I've seen crop up several times against gankers, travelers, PvE players, PvP players, docking computer users, solo players, combat player, the list goes on.

The immersion argument doen't hold up either. Someone saw a rude thing and now I'm aware I'm playing a game.

And I'm not saying that vulgar names should be lauded or promoted. But they do exist and shouldn't be ignored. And if they really bother you that much why not open a discussion with the fuzzy-crack brigade.

Playing an MMO (for lack of a better term) with massive possibility and freedom at it's heart, then complaining that someone else is using that possibility and freedom (within the games T.O.S. and lore) because you don't like it, or saying that they're not playing correctly, seems a bit arrogant.

 

[varonica]

My point is that where something is allowed to creep in it opens the doors of acceptance to often become the norm... you build your own hell!

Ah the slippery slope fallacy, well done. You think it's a slippery slope, some of us think it's level ground.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

Many of these names have been in the game since it came out, if we haven't pitched head forward down that imaginary slope yet we are never going to. To claim that letting a few names you don't like in the game will lead us to hell is the ultimate slippery slope fallacy!

 

[fadingtrails]

IMHO assuming their motive is churlish and arrogant, just sayin'.

Those assumptions are common sense.

You get me wrong if you think I'm trying to ostracize certain players; it's their names showing up on maps I have a problem with, not the person behind the name.

Other people having the option to hide usernames from the map doesn't detract from your gaming experience in any way, so I don't see what stake you have in this if you do enjoy vulgarity. You've been shooting down the suggestion I made for the sake of being argumentative. That I should play moderator for Frontier or reach out to people with offensive usernames is nonsensical.

Do you think anyone in this thread needed a beside-the-point history lesson, or a vocabulary lesson for that matter (if you want to talk about arrogance)? "People are capable of this and that so you better put up with it." Sounds reasonable.

You want an option to hide all players names or just the ones you personally don't like? Customisation is all very well, but there comes a point where most of the time developing is spent on rather complicated coding to satisfy a single individual. You see I am guessing if you don't want to see them on "discovered by" in the galmaop you probably alo don't want to see them popping up in the codex when you view that lookign at discoveries, or in the HUD when that particular CMDR attacks you etc ect. It has ramifications that stretch all through the game and could end up introducing no end of bugs just to satifsy one individuals foible. You think they are obscene, that's a personal opinion, I have never once come across an obscene name ingame in any activity or screen, so no, let's not make major alterations to all aspects of the game to satisfy one players rather strange idea of the obscene.

I'm not asking for anything so convoluted. And I'd need some convincing that hiding names from the map would set the developers back by any significant amount of time.

Are you in game development yourself?

If you don't think names like 'AlanFluffyCrack', 'MusselVomit' or 'Jackofflikecrazy' are disgusting, that's fine. You've probably never been offended by vulgarity and never will be. But I don't play video games to have strangers take me out of the game with their dirty mouths, and I don't think I should have to put up with it. It's by no means what people sign up for when playing a space sim.

When I don't choose to sign up somewhere using a dirty name, it's not just a matter of taste, but of consideration towards others. If that makes me strange, so be it.

 

[varonica]

I'm not asking for anything so convoluted. And I'd need some convincing that hiding names from the map would set the developers back by any significant amount of time.

Are you in game development yourself?

If you don't think names like 'AlanFluffyCrack', 'MusselVomit' or 'Jackofflikecrazy' are disgusting, that's fine. You've probably never been offended by vulgarity and never will be. But I don't play video games to have strangers take me out of the game with their dirty mouths, and I don't think I should have to put up with it. It's by no means what people sign up for when playing a space sim.

When I don't choose to sign up somewhere using a dirty name, it's not just a matter of taste, but of consideration towards others. If that makes me strange, so be it.

Ah another non-coder telling us how easy something is, I never get tired of that. I have done coding in my time, there's nothing more irritating than people asking for something "easy that will only take you a few minutes to do," that's how deadlines get pushed back and cost overruns happen.

None of the names you posted were disgusting, and none of your arguments so far have been convincing, so far the most it has come down to is you don't like a particular word and the game should be changed to remove that word regardless of any other players or how much work it is to change something. As far as what you signed up for, you signed up for an MMO Space Sim, those first three letters should tell you what to expect, everything from real life in the game. I don't think you are convincing anyone here and you will never convince FDEV to make what may be extensive changes to the game code to satisfy your personal whim so I guess there's not much more to be said.

 

[SlouchMonster]

Ok, lets break this down.

Those assumptions are common sense.

Not to me, and apparently not to the others who didn't leap to your defense when I called you on it. And As you say they're assumptions and fairly poor ones IMO, look up Hanlon's razor as to why.

You get me wrong if you think I'm trying to ostracize certain players; it's their names showing up on maps I have a problem with, not the person behind the name.

You've said that these people are childish, vulgar, rude, and out to spoil your gaming experience. It seems fairly self evident that you have a problem with the people. And you want the dev's to spend their resources so you can turn them into non entities instead of confronting them.

Other people having the option to hide usernames from the map doesn't detract from your gaming experience in any way, so I don't see what stake you have in this if you do enjoy vulgarity.

Except for a major social aspect of the game, where myself and my achievement are hidden, and any emergent game play or player interactions that I might have gained from a player seeing a route I have taken or recognizing me elsewhere in the game lost.

You've been shooting down the suggestion I made for the sake of being argumentative.

Again, another assumption. I've shot down your suggestion because I think its a bad suggestion and your logic is flawed and lacking substance.

That I should play moderator for Frontier or reach out to people with offensive usernames is nonsensical.

Suggesting that you open a dialog with people you disagree with is nonsensical? I'm not going to lie, that attitude is frighting, it's self enforced close mindedness, bullheaded arrogance, "I am right they are wrong" attitude.

Do you think anyone in this thread needed a beside-the-point history lesson

That's called using external sources to support an argument.

or a vocabulary lesson for that matter

That's an ad hominem attack, look it up. Although people normally don't imply that my vocabulary is something that they have to go to reference material for, I'll take that as a compliment

"People are capable of this and that so you better put up with it." Sounds reasonable.

More like people think different from you, don't ignore or dismiss them, try to understand them. You both might be enriched by the experience.

I'm not asking for anything so convoluted. And I'd need some convincing that hiding names from the map would set the developers back by any significant amount of time.

Are you in game development yourself?

I have been, 9-5 dev job now though, better hours, less stress.

If you don't think names like 'AlanFluffyCrack', 'MusselVomit' or 'Jackofflikecrazy' are disgusting, that's fine. You've probably never been offended by vulgarity and never will be.

You really like your assumptive arguments don't you. I find that argument vulgar and I am offended by it. Want to talk about it?

But I don't play video games to have strangers take me out of the game with their dirty mouths, and I don't think I should have to put up with it.

Now that is arrogance.
Why should you not have to put up with it? I did give you options, report the names if you think they break the T.O.S. or open a dialog. Like a wise man said, "Nut up or shut up".

It's by no means what people sign up for when playing a space sim.

Another assumption. I signed up to experience humanity in a massive galaxy, warts 'n all.

When I don't choose to sign up somewhere using a dirty name, it's not just a matter of taste, but of consideration towards others. If that makes me strange, so be it.

This seems a little morally-superior-passive-aggressive.

Bottom line, some people ain't nice, ignoring them wont help, learn to deal with it. How about we try be better ourselves and better understand one another. Or we could just burying our heads in the sand and complain about the free speech of others.