Hoag's Object

Konan

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Im posting from my phone so please forgive me for any errors in my post. Listed inside the games soundtrack is a listing for Hoag's Object. From what i can discern, most if not all the tracks, are music for discoverable items on the galaxy. The Hoag's object is a ringed galaxy outside the milky way galaxy...is it discoverable?

The Hoags object (HO) is located within the Serpens constellation. The corona borealis constellation is just above it as well. The brightest star in the corona borealis and the head star in the serpens both point directly at this object. The serpens constellation is actually 3 constellations in one...one of which is the serpent bearer constellation. In the mythology i looked up, the serpent bearer is wrestling an Anaconda.

I find it fascinating that the game has a song for the Hoags object, an object that, as far as i can tell, cant be pin pointed on the galaxy map. It is possible, using the constellations filter while in Sol to get a general direction of the Serpens constellation, which btw, has been called by some, the 13th zodiac. The fact that several ship types are referenced with snake names, asp and anaconda for example, seems "suspicious"

Is it feasible that this object is connected to Raxxala? Does it and the serpens constellation point in a general direction to search in? Would love to hear some of opinions of othrr cmdrs on this. Why is this object listed in the soundtrack?
 
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cmdr febreeze

cmdr febreeze
That's indeed interesting. I think Raxxla could be a portal to a globular cluster or another galaxy, but I must admit my knowledge on the subject is pretty new, but so far that would be my own guess. I do think that a portal, if it is a portal, is pretty close to Sol because from what I gather Raxxla was first mentioned in a time when the bubble was much smaller and ships couldn't travel too far from it. According to wiki the brightest stars in Serpens are around 500 light years from Sol, that could be too far, but has anyone checked them out?
 

Konan

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cmdr febreeze said:
That's indeed interesting. I think Raxxla could be a portal to a globular cluster or another galaxy, but I must admit my knowledge on the subject is pretty new, but so far that would be my own guess. I do think that a portal, if it is a portal, is pretty close to Sol because from what I gather Raxxla was first mentioned in a time when the bubble was much smaller and ships couldn't travel too far from it. According to wiki the brightest stars in Serpens are around 500 light years from Sol, that could be too far, but has anyone checked them out?
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Alpha Serpentis, formally named Unukalhai, is a double star in the head of the equatorial constellation of Serpens. With an apparent visual magnitude of 2.6, this star is the brightest in the constellation and it can be viewed with the naked eye from most of the Earth. Wikipedia
Distance to Earth: 73.97 light years
Magnitude: 2.623

Ive been to this system amd found nothing. To be honest, that is what i expected BUT that doesnt mean its not a clue or relevant. I think what we're looking for is a direction of travel. The Hoags object is the direction..buts it not on the map....an extensive search of systems in its direction is my next course of action....using stars in the constellation as a reference point
 

Para Handy

Para Handy
Since it is a galaxy 600 million light years away, no it won't be on the map. The map only contains what is in our galaxy. No doubt it won't even be on or be added to the skybox, like other galaxies currently are since its apparent diameter is about 0.28′ (arc-minutes) and apparent magnitude 16.2 . (Andromeda galaxy, which is on the sky box is 60′–190′ and apparent magnitude 3.4)
 
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Konan

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Para Handy said:
Since it is a galaxy 600 million light years away, no it won't be on the map. The map only contains what is in our galaxy. No doubt it won't even be on or be added to the skybox, like other galaxies currently are since its apparent diameter is about 0.28′ (arc-minutes) and apparent magnitude 16.2 . (Andromeda galaxy, which is on the sky box is 60′–190′ and apparent magnitude 3.4)
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I agree, its not on the map. Here is something interesting though, In 1950, astronomer Arthur Hoag came upon a tiny, faint, 16th-magnitude ring surrounding a ball-like center, and reasonably assumed it was a planetary nebula — a nearby puff of gas expelled from a single old-aged star. He also proposed an alternative and far more exotic explanation that this was an “Einstein Ring” from a faraway quasar. In this scenario, the quasar’s light is distorted into a halo by space-warping caused by a massive foreground spherical galaxy that it seems to surround.

It wasnt until 2002 with the Hubble telescope was it confirmed with the images we see today of the ringed galaxy.

So, when the first elite game came out, it was not known what it really was. The subsequent games and correct me if im wrong, did not even mention raxxla. Elite dangerous does however and has this soundtrack to an object thats not in our galaxy....
 

Konan

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malenfant said:
Some people are apparently really good at making tenuous links based entirely on supposi
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malenfant said:
Some people are apparently really good at making tenuous links based entirely on supposition.
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malenfant said:
Some people are apparently really good at making tenuous links based entirely on supposition.
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You do realize thats the fun in trying to figure out mysteries....discovering links, regardless of how "tenuous" the links are.
 

malenfant

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But you're not solving a mystery, you're basically making up a conspiracy theory.

People have wasted a lot of effort chasing up Raxxla when there is zero evidence it's even in the game at all. Nothing that FDev have put out there comes even close to constituting a "clue", it's all just tenuous connections and assumptions and interpretations that people have made of at best very inconclusive data.
 

Rock-Hermit

Rock-Hermit
If Raxxla was in the game, file diggers would have found reference to it by now and posted it everywhere. I don't believe for one second its there, when those who said it was, Braben and M Brookes, said so back in gamma. And we know how ridiculously bare bones the game was back then. So unless Raxxla itself isn't actual game content that required some incredibly interesting and tangible assets to do it the justice it would have needed, something they added to a bare bones release of ED back in 2014, its more likely to be a reference to some sort of storyline we have to follow. It makes no sense that its been here since gamma.

I don't think anyone will find it until frontier want to release a paid for DLC, probably to be released at the end of their '10 year plan' and something that includes tangible content that can lead to unravelling the mystery. It'll be a storyline, a long drawn out one, as its the virtual carrot that FD dangle in front of us all, their cash cow. A mystery that dates back to 1984. No way in hades will they allow that golden egg to be found by accident before they can sell a DLC to unlock it.

Bookmark this thread folks.
 

Konan

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Okay....its fair you believe that. For me its a mystery as to what this mysterious soundtrack to an an object not in the galaxy is all about. Maybe it isnt connected ro raxala...maybe it is..ill have fun trying to figure it out...
malenfant said:
But you're not solving a mystery, you're basically making up a conspiracy theory.

People have wasted a lot of effort chasing up Raxxla when there is zero evidence it's even in the game at all. Nothing that FDev have put out there comes even close to constituting a "clue", it's all just tenuous connections and assumptions and interpretations that people have made of at best very inconclusive data.
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iain666

iain666
Orvidius said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Braben/Brooks picked a system or planet somewhere, looked at each other, nodded, and said "that's Raxxla", and left it at that. ;) :D
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So when Brookes said: "Well it's in the Milky Way, but I can't tell you where it is. It's a journey that everyone has to travel for themselves." he meant we all need to just pick a spot and decide "for me, this is Raxxla" and that is our personal journey over?
 

Sapyx

Sapyx
The pieces of music were named by the composer. While he clearly had some knowledge of the original Elite, the FE2/FFE sequels and the new star systems to be found in Elite Dangerous, I don't think he's been let in on any deep, dark secrets regarding Raxxla, or anything else.

There are other ED soundtracks that are not connected to in-game objects. Hypernovas, magnetars, Thorne-Zytkow Objects and the Retina Nebula, are all not in game too.

Konan said:
The fact that several ship types are referenced with snake names, asp and anaconda for example, seems "suspicious"
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Not at all. The snake ship-names mostly derive from the original ED game - which long predate the addition of the Serpens constellation to the game, and predate any need to actually locate Raxxla somewhere definite in the galaxy. Serpens is definitely not a clue to Raxxla.

Konan said:
In the mythology i looked up, the serpent bearer is wrestling an Anaconda.
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Then the mythology you looked up is wrong. He isn't "wrestling" with the snake, he's carrying it. Ophiuchus, the serpent-bearer, is actually Asclepius, god of medicine, and the serpent he bears is an Aesculapian snake of healing. Anacondas are South American snakes, unknown to the ancient Greeks.

As for "why is Hoag's Object included?", well you could try contacting the composer and asking him, but if I had to guess, I would guess that the composer was given a bunch of astrophotographs and/or artist's impressions, to use as inspiration while creating his musical score, and he found some inspiration in the striking ring-shaped image of Hoag's Object.
 

malenfant

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Chrystoph said:
You do realize that telling someone they are being a conspiracist, then stating, without evidence, that they are wrong makes you look like a hypocrite?
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It doesn't, because there is no evidence that Raxxla in the game. Zero. Nada. None.

It's all been hearsay, people dropping enigmatic hints that could mean anything, and people making tenuous connections between things and running away with it. I guess it'd actually be an interesting study in social manipulation, how they got a community following shadows and myths and got them to dig their own huge rabbithole in a quest to find something that isn't even there.
 
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