Hostile NPCs

Dash

Dash
Ok, so what went wrong here? I was nosing around a military complex, assuming it might be a good place to pick up schematics or upgrade stuff (although I loaded straight in from a previous session, so all the cabinets were empty).

Anyway, I cloned an identity and went into this CMD building and cleared the profile. Got scanned a couple of times, and then had a nose about. Checked it was clear and cracked open OPS to have a butchers (the guard behind me was downstairs at the time I overloaded). Go to get scanned and immediately they go hostile.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AhW07nd5fo


Often I just don't understand Elite. It's got terrible mechanics because it's not clear what is going on.
 

Dash

Dash
I've got no idea why the youtube video doesn't display, maybe it will for you. Maybe it's just Frontier quality shining through.
 

Andro

Andro
That's weird. It looks like the guy behind you (watch the radar) arrgo-ed you first for whatever reason, but I can only speculate why.
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Ian Skippy said:
It's not the scan, it's the guard behind you who sees a stranger next to a burned-out lock to a secure area of a military complex.
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He can see the burned lock and realizes what's up, the scanning guard can't see the lock so assumed (for at least the duration of the scan) he is simply legit opening the door.

Guards are cool with odd, heavily armed, strangers until they see damaged locks, dead bodies, hacked terminals and so on. Mess around and they will be rather hostile to strangers...
 

Dash

Dash
I guess that makes sense, although it seems a little heavy handed given I wasn't observed. Does this sort of thing work at a distance? i.e. if they spot it and I'm not there, does that registered as an unknown, or will they come after me randomly?
 

Koma Pahu

Koma Pahu
Dash said:
I guess that makes sense, although it seems a little heavy handed given I wasn't observed. Does this sort of thing work at a distance? i.e. if they spot it and I'm not there, does that registered as an unknown, or will they come after me randomly?
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They start searching, just like when they discover a dead body. Edit: They eventually give up.
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Dash said:
I guess that makes sense, although it seems a little heavy handed given I wasn't observed. Does this sort of thing work at a distance? i.e. if they spot it and I'm not there, does that registered as an unknown, or will they come after me randomly?
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They go into alert for a while, and will open fire on you if they find you during that period.
 

Commander Kheane

C
Dash said:
I was nosing around a military complex
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:rolleyes:
Kinda answered your question. Threat levels matter and the NPCs do have AI behaviors.

From reddit, credit to u/mike29tw

Basic:
  • The alternative modes for EnergyLink and Profile Analyzer are illegal. If NPCs see you holding a tool in its illegal mode, they will turn hostile.
  • The overload mode for EnergyLink can be used to one-hit-kill all shieldless NPCs as long as they're within range.
  • Use settlement terminals to help you navigate. Need to find someone with level 3 authorization so you can clone their profile? Go to the staff section in the terminal!
  • NPCs can hear the sound of the plasma cutter and will investigate the source. Make sure they don't catch you cutting up panels and lockers.
  • The six-o'clock position of the item wheel lets you wipe out the fake profile you cloned from NPCs. You should have enough time to wipe it right before a soldier demands a stop-and-scan.
  • You can follow an NPC through a door if you don't have any level of authorization. As long as it's not an explicitly restricted area, nobody cares. Sometimes the best solution is the low-tech solution.
  • Soldiers will become alerted if they see a door that has been overloaded by EnergyLink. While alerted, they will raise their shields and search for possible intruders, and they will demand a stop-and-scan from a farther distance.
  • If anyone, soldiers and civilians alike, see you loitering near a door that has been overloaded, they will use the power of deduction and immediately turn hostile to you.
  • Powerplant regulator controls, sample containers, and sabotage target(different names for different types of settlement) will raise alarm immediately when triggered. Dig in and prepare for a fight or disable settlement alarm before you attempt to trigger them.
Advanced:
  • You can interrupt a stop-and-scan by unholstering your weapon. Soldiers will order you to put your weapon away and forget about the scan. However, this only works once. The second time you unholster your weapon during stop-and-scan, soldiers will immediately turn hostile, even if it's a different soldier than the first one.
  • You can avoid a stop-and-scan order by entering your SRV. For all they know, you just disappear into thin air right when they're about to scan you.
  • If an NPC turns hostile to you, you have a few seconds to eliminate them before they call it in. During this time, they will have a flashing radio icon above their head and you will hear them calling for help. If you kill them before they finish calling it in, you can avoid escalating a full-on firefight with the entire settlement. If not, the settlement alarm will be raised, and soldiers will hunt you down while civilians on high alert.
  • If you successfully disengage the power regulator without the alarm going off, soldiers will immediately make their way to the powerplant building to investigate. A quick escape is in order if you don't wish to escalate into a full-on firefight.
  • If an NPC sees an open sabotage target before you get the chance to put in the sabotage item, they will close the sabotage target, effectively wasting you several minutes of waiting time.
  • Both soldiers and civilians will be alerted by corpses. However, only soldiers have profile analyzers and will attempt to stop-and-scan you near the crime scene. Civilians cannot confirm whether or not you are the murderer.
  • You can use your SRV as a mobile inventory. Illegal items like E-Breach, spyware, viruses and other mission-critical items can't be detected if they're stored inside SRV. It's often a good idea to leave these illegal items in the SRV while you case the premise, and only take them out when you finish planning. Also, taking SRV into the settlement reduces the distance during which you have illegal items on you, making you less likely to get caught.
  • Profile analyzers can only analyze on-foot operative's profile, not vehicle's bounty history. Your SRV can have several millions of bounty on it, as long as you're not in an open firefight with the soldiers, there's nothing they can do to you when you're inside your SRV.
 

Dash

Dash
Good tips.

I think the thing that irritates me the most with trying to avoid a firefight, if you do kill somebody, even completely out of view, you get a bounty. Which (a) makes no sense, and (b) doesn't really help the situation as the next guard will scan you and it'll all go to pot
 
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