How are so many Earth-like worlds already claimed?

McDark

McDark
I'm confused.

I haven't done much exploration, but today I headed out into the black to put my name on some stuff. Hopefully some lovely Earth-likes I can call my own.

So I'm about 2000 LY away from the bubble. Virtually every system for hundreds of LY are seemingly undiscovered. No-one has been here, ever. They're mine now...

However, that is apart from any system that has Earth-like or water worlds. By apparently some massive coincidence, every single one I'm finding has already got someone's name on it.

These original discoverers must have known they were here. They must have made a beeline for them and not even bothered honking any system nearby along the way. So how did they know where to go to? What's the trick I'm missing here?
 

iain666

iain666
McDark said:
These original discoverers must have known they were here. They must have made a beeline for them and not even bothered honking any system nearby along the way. So how did they know where to go to? What's the trick I'm missing here?
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Back before FSS the honk didn't auto tag the stars, so many explorers would honk, bring up the system map and in the absence of high value targets move on without tagging anything.
 

McDark

McDark
Thanks all.

So to clarify, back in the day, merely honking a system didn't flag its bodies as discovered? So all these systems that will soon have my name on, I likely won't actually have been the first one there?
 

Orvidius

Orvidius
McDark said:
So to clarify, back in the day, merely honking a system didn't flag its bodies as discovered? So all these systems that will soon have my name on, I likely won't actually have been the first one there?
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Yes, that's correct, however when there are no tags in the system, there's no in-game way for you to know if you're the first one to travel through there or not. The EDSM website can tell you whether it knows of anyone discovering that system, but if it's absent in EDSM, it might have been visited by someone who doesn't upload their data to the website.

That close to the bubble, it's hard to know for sure when there's no information on it. If it's in EDSM or has in-game tags, then someone has definitely been there, but it's hard to prove a negative. Further away from the bubble, and chances are that you really are the first visitor.
 

McDark

McDark
Orvidius said:
Yes, that's correct, however when there are no tags in the system, there's no in-game way for you to know if you're the first one to travel through there or not. The EDSM website can tell you whether it knows of anyone discovering that system, but if it's absent in EDSM, it might have been visited by someone who doesn't upload their data to the website.

That close to the bubble, it's hard to know for sure when there's no information on it. If it's in EDSM or has in-game tags, then someone has definitely been there, but it's hard to prove a negative. Further away from the bubble, and chances are that you really are the first visitor.
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Oh. That's disappointing. I quite liked the idea that I might be the first to be in these systems. Now I find out thousands could have been here already, but just didn't consider it worth their time putting their name on it. That sucks. :(

I do have EDSM running and I'm getting first discovery on almost everything. Even the ones with ELWs and WWs.
 

Redfox

Redfox
Besides still being in the "Backyard of the bubble" (2kly is not really far in terms of exploration/traveling), you might be on one of the well trodden paths to popular destinations, and/or close to the galactic plane where a lot of the traveling happens. Can you give us a system name close to your position?
 

VR StarLightPL

VR StarLightPL
Ninja'ed by @Redfox but I'll throw my three cents anyway @McDark :
1. You're probably using an exploration ship like everybody else, and even if not that's a ship somebody definitely used. So it jumps the same ;-)
2. Move up or down the galactic plane, the "level 0" is paved with concrete by thousands of others since 2014.
3. Switch your route plotter to economic or whatever it is called. Putting it on fastest just aligns you with thousands other paths (because the route plotting maths is exactly the same for everyone).
4. If you find yourself outside the bubble and system after system is discovered and tagged, you're on a beaten path, take a sharp perpendicular turn in either direction and just jump for a while.
5. take a look at EDSM traffic reports, it might give you a clue in which way you should go:
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Ed [FCOC]

Ed [FCOC]
McDark said:
Oh. That's disappointing. I quite liked the idea that I might be the first to be in these systems. Now I find out thousands could have been here already, but just didn't consider it worth their time putting their name on it. That sucks. :(

I do have EDSM running and I'm getting first discovery on almost everything. Even the ones with ELWs and WWs.
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Just go a little further, stay above/below the galactic plane, maybe towards Hawkins Gap and you will soon find undiscovered ELWs, filter A/F/G stars only.
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Northpin

Northpin
McDark said:
However, that is apart from any system that has Earth-like or water worlds. By apparently some massive coincidence, every single one I'm finding has already got someone's name on it.
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Before FSS, when it was required to travel to the body to discover it, people were cherry picking ELW and other rares.
With FSS this can still happen - but usually FSS-ing the entire system is way faster than travel to each body.

For example, i always FSS the entire system and for certain rares i also do the planetary scan - ofcourse if they're not that far.
Usually i dont go 400000 ls to map a planet unless there is something really interesting there.
 

marx

marx
Northpin said:
Before FSS, when it was required to travel to the body to discover it, people were cherry picking ELW and other rares.
With FSS this can still happen - but usually FSS-ing the entire system is way faster than travel to each body.
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People still cherry-pick just as much as they did before. It's just that now we are automatically getting tags without spending any effort on them, it's easier to tell in-game whether somebody has been in a system already or not.
This wasn't the case before, and it even happened surprisingly often that people would scan an ELW but not the main star. (Something around 10-15% of all ELWs uploaded, if memory serves.)

In any case, @McDark : the only way people know for certain if an ELW is in a system is if it has been discovered and its location shared already. I did write a guide on finding Earth-like worlds, but at the end of the day, nothing is guaranteed to get you a fresh, undiscovered ELW. You can improve your chances by quite a lot though.

Oh, and hey, from quite recently, check this image out for where you might want to go to find more undiscovered stuff.
 

schlowi123

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Don't get discouraged. Sooner or later untagged ELW's will show up :) … oh how wonderful that feeling was when I found my 1st blue marble. And don't forget to make a picture and note which system it was in. Because if we ever will be able to land on them, you might want to come back :)
 

McDark

McDark
I've been heading out along a path I figured would be less well travelled. Roughly up and just to the right of the galactic centre bulge. There's nothing over there as far as I know. I stopped to look around the area for the 'good stuff' when started getting lots of apparent first discoveries; no names on bodies and new to EDSM. Only then to find all said good stuff claimed already. Which I thought looked a bit fishy.

Anyway, thanks to all for the heads up and advice. Will keep going onwards and outwards until I crave the pew-pews. ;)
 

Ebel

Ebel
McDark said:
I'm confused.

I haven't done much exploration, but today I headed out into the black to put my name on some stuff. Hopefully some lovely Earth-likes I can call my own.

So I'm about 2000 LY away from the bubble. Virtually every system for hundreds of LY are seemingly undiscovered. No-one has been here, ever. They're mine now...

However, that is apart from any system that has Earth-like or water worlds. By apparently some massive coincidence, every single one I'm finding has already got someone's name on it.

These original discoverers must have known they were here. They must have made a beeline for them and not even bothered honking any system nearby along the way. So how did they know where to go to? What's the trick I'm missing here?
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I really don't even start looking hard until I am out 10kly. My happy hunting grounds are 38kly out. I don't see another Cmdr name for months.
 

bitstorm

bitstorm
McDark said:
Thanks all.

So to clarify, back in the day, merely honking a system didn't flag its bodies as discovered? So all these systems that will soon have my name on, I likely won't actually have been the first one there?
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You'd jump into a system, honk.

To get the star scanned, just like any other body, you had to orientate your ship to point at the star's center and keep it pointed for 30 secs or so for the scan to resolve.

Sometimes you'd do it if it was a fuel scoop stop though obviously you had to be careful of the heat. If transitting the system to jump onwards you'd honk and quick checking the local map and often wouldn't bother with a star scan, too much of a faff. If there was something nice looking in the system though Ilike an Earth-like), yes often you'd then nab the main star too.
 
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