How South America got the most animals but still got shafted again

Before andthing else, i like every single animal in the game and im thankfull that South America got some new Animals which is allways good, but...

I do believe we got the worst possible contenders for South america rn in a pack that could have easily featured much better ones.

What do i mean with that?
Well lets take a look

Rn our south american representation can be roughly grouped up like this:
Lama, Tapir, Giant Anteater and Capybara as "filler ungulates", with the lama also for petting zoos
The two caimans and the giant otter for Aquatic displays
The Capuchin as our only arboreal Animal somehow
The Jaguar and cougar as big predators

Also all of these animals besides the lama and the cougar are tropical species.

So when we look at it, what are clearly needed?
Non tropical animals, smaller animals and arboreal animals are our biggest concern, aswell as the massivly underepreseted sub tropical south america below the amazon baisin.

And well frontier seems to agree as we got one animal thats a small grounded one and an animal that lives below the amazon baisin.
There are two very common zoo animals that fit into that describtion and really are both the fundamentals for south american grasslands and a general back bone of south america sections in rl zoos.
Sadly, none of them made it.
The rhea got outcompeted by the emu, which is fair as its imo by far the most exciting addition alongside the wallaby, but also a bit tragic as the emu could have easily come with a desert pack while the rhea cant come with another biome pack without stretching.
The maras absence meanwhile can propaply be traced back to not just the armadillo but the fact that we got 3 carnivorans and while i like all 3 individually one of them should have been something else, in my opinion the patagonian Mara.

Because if we look at the actual south american additions, one thing is clear:
The non tropical grasslands in the southern half are still practically empty.
That region really needed something and while for example the yellow armadillo could have been that something, we got the nine banded instead.
Not a bad animal, i get how its range throught central america and the southern parts of north america benefit another area, but if we only have 2 non exhibit SA animals they should imo actually tackle those South American grasslands.
And while the maned wolf adds a larger omnivore to the savanahs, it also doesnt add to the southern parts, eventhough central south american representation is nice.

So in conclusion, while the pack in general was really nice, but through the mass of carnivorans and desert animals (really 4 out of 7 where species typically presemted for desert pack idears), grassland only animal representation sufferd, with no where as disappointing as the southern non tropical southamerican grasslands.
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I love South American animals, and I miss so many of them. I would love to see the Rhea and especially Patagonian Mara, but at the same time, I am glad we are getting two more representatives and one of them (Maned Wolf) was my number one wish. I do hope we will see more tho, I would add a Collared Peccary to that list of filler SA animals.
 
SA is never going to feel complete, as long as Frontier keeps treating birds and monkeys in DLCs as Hollywood treats women on superhero-movie posters.
They are not always there, and when they are it is the most appealing one they could come up with. Then they call that representation.

It seems like they are starting to understand how to get Australia right, but the last thing SA needs is a big number of carnivores to choose from. And right now I fear the Spectacled Bear, Ocelot, or bush dog shows up before a bird or another monkey.
With this continent, it is okay if the choice of carnivores gets a little repetitive over time, but we need to be able to mix and match our birds and monkeys every time we dive into this area.
 
It would be great if frontier could revisit South America with regular or animal pack:

Sloth
Coati
Howler monkey
Spectacled bear

Spider monkey
Mara
Vicuña
Since two monkeys are needed, I would change Vicuña to Collared Peccary. Sorry, but I want peccary.
Spider monkey I would "throw away", but out of two evils I'd rather wait for Vicuña than monkeys.
 
I think it would require atleast two full Animal Packs to "complete" our South American line-up (without birds).

Pack 1:

1. Black Howler Monkey
2. Chacoan Peccary
3. South American Coati
4. Patagonian Mara
5. Ocelot
6. Scarlet Ibis
7. Cotton-Top Tamarin
8. Plumed Basilisk (E)

Pack 2:

1. Linnaeus's Two-Toed Sloth
2. Spectacled Bear
3. Bush Dog
4. Golden Lion Tamarin
5. Black-Headed Spider Monkey
6. Greater Rhea
7. Southern Tamandua
8. Eyelash Viper (E)
 
Before andthing else, i like every single animal in the game and im thankfull that South America got some new Animals which is allways good, but...

I do believe we got the worst possible contenders for South america rn in a pack that could have easily featured much better ones.

What do i mean with that?
Well lets take a look

Rn our south american representation can be roughly grouped up like this:
Lama, Tapir, Giant Anteater and Capybara as "filler ungulates", with the lama also for petting zoos
The two caimans and the giant otter for Aquatic displays
The Capuchin as our only arboreal Animal somehow
The Jaguar and cougar as big predators

Also all of these animals besides the lama and the cougar are tropical species.

So when we look at it, what are clearly needed?
Non tropical animals, smaller animals and arboreal animals are our biggest concern, aswell as the massivly underepreseted sub tropical south america below the amazon baisin.

And well frontier seems to agree as we got one animal thats a small grounded one and an animal that lives below the amazon baisin.
There are two very common zoo animals that fit into that describtion and really are both the fundamentals for south american grasslands and a general back bone of south america sections in rl zoos.
Sadly, none of them made it.
The rhea got outcompeted by the emu, which is fair as its imo by far the most exciting addition alongside the wallaby, but also a bit tragic as the emu could have easily come with a desert pack while the rhea cant come with another biome pack without stretching.
The maras absence meanwhile can propaply be traced back to not just the armadillo but the fact that we got 3 carnivorans and while i like all 3 individually one of them should have been something else, in my opinion the patagonian Mara.

Because if we look at the actual south american additions, one thing is clear:
The non tropical grasslands in the southern half are still practically empty.
That region really needed something and while for example the yellow armadillo could have been that something, we got the nine banded instead.
Not a bad animal, i get how its range throught central america and the southern parts of north america benefit another area, but if we only have 2 non exhibit SA animals they should imo actually tackle those South American grasslands.
And while the maned wolf adds a larger omnivore to the savanahs, it also doesnt add to the southern parts, eventhough central south american representation is nice.

So in conclusion, while the pack in general was really nice, but through the mass of carnivorans and desert animals (really 4 out of 7 where species typically presemted for desert pack idears), grassland only animal representation sufferd, with no where as disappointing as the southern non tropical southamerican grasslands.
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We also have the possibility that frontier will make a package of savannah animals in the future that includes animals from Africa, India and South America, which could include any of the animals you mentioned.

You never know lol
cross our fingers 🤞😁
 
South America is indeed the biggest issue at the moment. But I don't think that the maned wolf and the nine-banded armadillo were bad choices. None of the two were on my wishlist, but maned wolf was kind of granted and even tough I would have preferred a six-banded armadillo (or even a three-banded) I like it's versatility.
I would have preferred soo much a black howler instead of the armadillo in the pack, as it (or probably the red howler) will compete directly with other SA monkeys on a potential Tropical DLC, and it could have easily fitted in a drylands pack.
As for the common rhea and the greater mara, I think that their inclusion is still likley. The mara fits well in a drylands pack and the lesser rhea would do great in a highlands pack. So, specially if we're getting only animal packs on the next year, I see a lot of potential to boost South America.
 
The maras absence meanwhile can propaply be traced back to not just the armadillo but the fact that we got 3 carnivorans and while i like all 3 individually one of them should have been something else, in my opinion the patagonian Mara.
I am feeling very much the same way about the Mara.

The omission of the Rhea i can understand, but I was somehwat expecting it due to the Emu hust being massievly more popular. Still, I am hopeful they will find their way into the game eventually.

I love to see the peccarie being mentioned in this thread. To me, they would be another animal that would greatly help fill out South America sections, and they could work very well in multi-species habitats.
 
I think it would require atleast two full Animal Packs to "complete" our South American line-up (without birds).

Pack 1:

1. Black Howler Monkey
2. Chacoan Peccary
3. South American Coati
4. Patagonian Mara
5. Ocelot
6. Scarlet Ibis
7. Cotton-Top Tamarin
8. Plumed Basilisk (E)

Pack 2:

1. Linnaeus's Two-Toed Sloth
2. Spectacled Bear
3. Bush Dog
4. Golden Lion Tamarin
5. Black-Headed Spider Monkey
6. Greater Rhea
7. Southern Tamandua
8. Eyelash Viper (E)
Yeah add the green anaconda and roseate spoonbill and this is what we need for SA to actually feel complete for me (and barely). The only one i wouldn't consider "essential is the bush dog

I would love some other animals like the giant armadillo, jabiru stork, arrau river turtle, some amazonian fishes like the arapaima, red tailed cat fish, ocellated stingray, piranha, etc and a lot of birds like the andean condor and harpy eagle.
 
Hard disagree. First of all, Rheas are much more desert dwelling than Emus. Emus are grassland animals mostly.

The Maned wolf was widely requested and fits really well to the grassland theme, while the Mara is, again, more of a desert animal. Patagonia is a desert.

And I majorly disagree with the statement we don't need a lot more tropical species. The amazon basin is the most diverse region on earth, we need many many more tropical species.
 
Hard disagree. First of all, Rheas are much more desert dwelling than Emus. Emus are grassland animals mostly.

The Maned wolf was widely requested and fits really well to the grassland theme, while the Mara is, again, more of a desert animal. Patagonia is a desert.

And I majorly disagree with the statement we don't need a lot more tropical species. The amazon basin is the most diverse region on earth, we need many many more tropical species.
Exactly. Although rheas are found all over in grasslands and deserts.

As for tropical species we need a lot more, specially from SA and África. Where are all the arbórea critters, monkeys and birds included?
 
Well, not entirely. Patagonia as a bioregion extends beyond the Patagonian Desert (which only barely counts as a true desert anyway, it's closer to scrubland from my reading, getting a lot more rain than a true desert would). Rhea and mara definitely count as grassland animals.
But also desert animals. As opposed to the Emu which barely lives in deserts.
 
Hard disagree. First of all, Rheas are much more desert dwelling than Emus. Emus are grassland animals mostly.

The Maned wolf was widely requested and fits really well to the grassland theme, while the Mara is, again, more of a desert animal. Patagonia is a desert.

And I majorly disagree with the statement we don't need a lot more tropical species. The amazon basin is the most diverse region on earth, we need many many more tropical species.
Its not that we dont need more, its just that we need something outside of the amazone basin aswell
 
Small steps are also steps. We got 1 African, 2 South American, 2 Oceanian animals. And the Caracal and the Striped Hyena which can represent both Asia and Africa. I think it is a good mix. But I personally am not someone claiming about equal representation. I just hope for interesting animals and that is my main reason why I would like to have further South American animals.
 
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Okay I know that the animal I will refer to is barely kept outside its native range but considering that frontier has ignored that criteria with the Chinese pangoling and the proboscis monkey, I think that it is fair to request the pacarana.

Another animal we really need is a red-footed or yellow-footed tortoise. Even though we already have the Galapagos tortoise which could be considered as a South American animal I'd argue that we need more tortoises of varying sizes even if they are from the same continent.

I'd also suggest the red-legged seriema but they tend to nest on trees so I woudn't know if that diminishes their status as a ground bird.
 
I have a good feeling about South America this year. There are so many animals that I really think MUST be added to the game before the end of next year.
Two Toed Sloth, Spectacled Bear, some species of Coati, Howler and Spider Monkeys, Golden Tamarin and Greater Rhea I can really see being added in and would be surprised if they WEREN’T (especially sloth and the monkeys).
I also have a good feeling about the Mara. It’s not particularly at the top of my list, but I’d definitely welcome it with open arms!
I do think that South America will get a significant boost this year. Here’s to hoping!
 
I have a good feeling about South America this year. There are so many animals that I really think MUST be added to the game before the end of next year.
Two Toed Sloth, Spectacled Bear, some species of Coati, Howler and Spider Monkeys, Golden Tamarin and Greater Rhea I can really see being added in and would be surprised if they WEREN’T (especially sloth and the monkeys).
I also have a good feeling about the Mara. It’s not particularly at the top of my list, but I’d definitely welcome it with open arms!
I do think that South America will get a significant boost this year. Here’s to hoping!
Agreed - hopefully next year can do for South America what this year did for Australia. One or two animals in each pack really adds up when you look back.
 
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