How to know if a system is NOT DISCOVERED BY anyone from the Galaxy Map?

Titan1978

Titan1978
As said in the subject - even if I cannot find a system map from Galaxy Map for a particular system (implying at first glance it hasn't been discovered yet) - when I fly to that system and run the DScanner and all the orbital bodies pop up - I find them all to be unexplored but with a FIRST DISCOVERED BY <Some Commander Name> - this happened to me even far away from Civilized space- as far out as 1000 + light years from these spaces. I'm trying to understand two things in the game mechanic here :
* If the Galaxy Map shows a RED for system view (ie not selectable) for a particular system and going there with DSCanner shows all bodies as UNEXPLORED - then how is it that they've been first discovered by anyone in the first place?
* IS there a way to find out which systems haven't been disovered by anyone at all (other than blindly jumping to systems thousands of light years away?) - I want to get my name for systems relatively near to civilized space first then move outwards but am always stumped to find even UNEXPLORED systems having first discovered by other commanders all over the place.
 

Daisuke-kun

Daisuke-kun
There is no way to know. The reason the system is red, even though it is discovered by someone, is you computer is not updated with the new data. Furthermore, you have to be near the system where the data were sold at for you to buy it. It seems it takes time for the data to be universally available to all inhabitant systems.
 

Jack Luminous

Jack Luminous
Titan1978 said:
IS there a way to find out which systems haven't been disovered by anyone at all (other than blindly jumping to systems thousands of light years away?) - I want to get my name for systems relatively near to civilized space first then move outwards but am always stumped to find even UNEXPLORED systems having first discovered by other commanders all over the place.
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I'm afraid that at the moment this is the only way of finding out whether someone has already scanned a system or parts of it. I'm sure we'll see changes and improvements later on (and there have been some improvements already!), but as for now, this is how things work:

- The galaxy map is 'personal'; you can only see system info for the systems you have visited, scanned and reported to Universal Cartographics (at any station, regardless of faction etc.)
- You need to sell your data to Universal Cartographics in order to get paid and credited for discoveries. It's therefore possible that while you are still out there exploring, someone might visit a system you haven't yet sold the info on and get credited for discovering it, because they were the first to sell the information.
- You can buy info on a system if it is available - although I'm not sure why anyone would need this outside inhabited space. Perhaps future updates clarify this.
- Scanning systems that have already been discovered will still yield a small payment (for 'updating info'), but it's not really worth the trouble.

- The space within a few hundred LY from inhabited space is already quite well charted; however, due to the absolutely enormous amount of stars it is still possible to find undiscovered systems very close - I found one well within Federal space just three days ago!
- Steer clear of nebulae, especially those close to inhabited space, if you want to see as few systems with other commanders' names on them as possible.
- At the moment, roughly 0.0003 percent of the galaxy has been mapped. Getting to 1% will probably take years unless we see a huge influx of dedicated explorers doing a concerted effort to chart everything relentlessly. In other words, there are countless stars and planets waiting for you. After you get about 1000-1500LY away from inhabited space, you'll be very lucky to find discovered systems.
 

Harbinger

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Harbinger
Head 300-500 LY past the edge of the populated region and you'll find most systems have no first discovery flags on them. The further out you go the less first discoveries you'll come across. You should also try and head in a random direction rather than heading towards an obvious place of interest such as a nebula.
 

Pennyblack

Pennyblack
When FD updates... your name will appear on the systems you've discovered. But so will anyone else who got there, and beat you there first.
 
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Warriorsfortune

W
True it is part of the fun, exploring never before explored systems.
it actually becomes a game of its own. hmmm what lies here, commander! damn, and then nice work commander you been exploring far and wide!
 

Jack Schitt

Jack Schitt
Yeah, other than buying the data (does anyone do that?) the only way to know whether discovery-scanned bodies have been "first discovered" is to do a full scan of their primary star then check the local system map. I'm not sure how the in-game logic is supposed to make that work (why does scanning the star suddenly "reveal" the other data that your ship computer apparently had already?) but at least you don't have to scan every individual world looking for the ones people may have missed. That would be hell.
 

Genar-Hofoen

Genar-Hofoen
Whiterose said:
I always assume it has been discovered, and then I am pleasantly surprised when I am the first.
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Exactly!

Also, to the OP: You'll probably find that a lot of the "interesting" stars have been visited already - that's things like relatively nearby neutron stars etc.

Anyway - 400 Billion stars - there are plenty to go around. Plenty ;)
 

CMDR Skallagrimm

CMDR Skallagrimm
The system map doesnt actually reveal everything just because you scanned the main star... although i am doing it cheap with only a basic discovery scanner.
 

Titan1978

Titan1978
Jack Schitt said:
Yeah, other than buying the data (does anyone do that?) the only way to know whether discovery-scanned bodies have been "first discovered" is to do a full scan of their primary star then check the local system map. I'm not sure how the in-game logic is supposed to make that work (why does scanning the star suddenly "reveal" the other data that your ship computer apparently had already?) but at least you don't have to scan every individual world looking for the ones people may have missed. That would be hell.
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yep thats what I generally do - though u need an advanced D Scanner to find out all bodies in the system and then they show up on the system map yo see if each body in the system has actually been found by someone- I was just hoping there would be some color coded way in the Galaxy Map (BLACK completely untouched, GREY already discovered and still unexplored etc) to determine if a star has already been discovered but remained "unexplored" ie not turned in..
But i guess the flip side is what Genar said above - plenty of other fish in the sea - just the GLORY is someone chancing upon your discovery closer to Homeworlds is much much more than in the -end of the universe :) -
 
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AndyJ

AndyJ
I've just started exploring and I think that it's a real shame that first discovery tags are going to people who've obviously just pinged a system with the AD and hopped right on to the next one...

I think that the AD reveals too much - it would have been far better if it had just indicated that a body was 'out there' and shown a place-holder on the system map - but you'd need to head closer to discover what the object really was, perhaps revealing moons too... it all just feels a bit trivial to be able to bounce in and get your name assigned in the game to every object just for holding down the AD button? And perhaps distant objects should return better values than those close to the main sun if there isn't such a weighting - i.e. encourage that 10 minute travel to the depths of the system to see what's there?
Perhaps they could add a secondary 'surveyed by' tag to planets to reward 1st detail scanners?

I suppose with so much near space having been tagged, it does add to the smile when you make a first discovery. And yes, I'm doing surface scans of everything because my exploration data will be quality not quantity ... precision over profit lol :)
 
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Genar-Hofoen

Genar-Hofoen
AndyJ said:
I've just started exploring and I think that it's a real shame that first discovery tags are going to people who've obviously just pinged a system with the AD and hopped right on to the next one...

I think that the AD reveals too much - it would have been far better if it had just indicated that a body was 'out there' and shown a place-holder on the system map - but you'd need to head closer to discover what the object really was, perhaps revealing moons too... it all just feels a bit trivial to be able to bounce in and get your name assigned in the game just for holding down the AD button? And perhaps distant objects should return better values than those close to the main sun if there isn't such a weighting - i.e. encourage that 10 minute travel to the depths of the system to see what's there?
Perhaps they could add a secondary 'surveyed by' tag to planets to reward 1st detail scanners?

I suppose with so much near space having been tagged, it does add to the smile when you make a first discovery. And yes, I'm doing surface scans of everything because my exploration data will be quality not quantity ... precision over profit lol :)
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I disagree :)

The ADS is about discovering the existence of the bodies in a star system.

Some player (for example, me) has gone to all the trouble of jumping a gazillion light years to explore hundreds of star systems to discover Strange New Worlds, to seek out new Life and new Civilisations, to Boldly Go etc etc etc.... If they are in fact the first to discover the existence of a planet by means of the ADS, then they should get first dibs on their name being stamped on that discovery if they are first to fly back and sell the data to UC.

I hear what you're saying though - you reckon the ADS is some form of cheat. I don't think it is. I've outlined in other threads why not, but the tl;dr is that it's not unreasonable to be able to discover all planetary bodies that are in a star system by means of an ADS.

The other scanner is of course the surface scanner - the most expensive one being the Detailed Surface Scanner, which is responsible for scanning a planetary body for details on its atmosphere, temperature, whether life exists on it, etc. etc.

Your complaint about the ADS - I could follow your logic and say "Well the Detailed Surface Scanner is too OP! We should only be able to measure a planet's atmosphere, temperature, whether life exists etc etc by landing on the planet and manually surveying it!". :)

Now, I don't know about you, but if I'm out exploring the galaxy, the last thing I want to be doing is to have to use parallax to discover stars/planets/moons etc. Or accidentally stumbling nearby something, in order to discover its existence. There are too many systems out there that are "unintersting" - mostly the ones with M class stars whose planets are nothing more than boring useless snowballs in space. People suggesting that we should be only discovering those planets by bumbling around blind are people suggesting to make exploration truly dreadful, IMO :)

No, the ADS does its job and it does it well. Nerf that, and also you'll have to nerf the Detailed Surface Scanner. Land on the planet and survey it if you want to truly "discover" it. I ain't gonna do that with 15 boring icy planets each time I jump to a new system. In fact I'll just stop playing the game if exploration becomes so awful :)

Lastly, I'm patiently waiting for planetary landing! I want to land on Earth-like planets I discover! :)
 

Jack Schitt

Jack Schitt
CMDR Skallagrimm said:
The system map doesnt actually reveal everything just because you scanned the main star... although i am doing it cheap with only a basic discovery scanner.
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Well I did say "discovery-scanned bodies". Are you saying you don't get discovery status on any bodies, even those scanned with the Basic Scanner? That's a bit harsh if true. Personally I never go anywhere without an ADS and Surface Scanner. They're expensive but even before the buff they paid for themselves with a couple of trips out. With the new higher rewards for exploration data they're more or less essential.
 

Jack Schitt

Jack Schitt
AndyJ said:
I've just started exploring and I think that it's a real shame that first discovery tags are going to people who've obviously just pinged a system with the AD and hopped right on to the next one...
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But that's not how it works. To get first discovered status you have to aim your ship at the star or planet and wait 20-30 seconds while a direct scan is done, then be the first to sell that data. Even a Basic scanner can be used for this, although the Surface scanners will gather more valuable data. There are quite a few relatively local systems still out there with only the main star "discovered", because pilots have scanned the star while scooping but not bothered to scan anything else. In many cases the planets are still up for grabs.
 

Sadistic Intentions

Sadistic Intentions
My theory on finding unexplored systems closer to inhabited space is to plot a route to no-where. Most explorers will explore towards this or that Nebula or place of interest so they often follow in their predecessors tracks.
So plot your course to no-where and you will find many more systems to put your name on. When you get to no-where, then plot a course to the somewhere that interests you and as most other explorers started from somewhere you'll not be following someone else's track and so find more systems to put your name on.
Hope that helps
Cheers
 
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AndyJ

AndyJ
Jack Schitt said:
But that's not how it works. To get first discovered status you have to aim your ship at the star or planet and wait 20-30 seconds while a direct scan is done, then be the first to sell that data. Even a Basic scanner can be used for this, although the Surface scanners will gather more valuable data. There are quite a few relatively local systems still out there with only the main star "discovered", because pilots have scanned the star while scooping but not bothered to scan anything else. In many cases the planets are still up for grabs.
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Right I misunderstood that when the AD tells you it's discovered 22 objects that you'd automatically get credited with that. Just tested with a partially discovered system that's near to an Imperial extraction system (wandered back too far towards inhabited space*) and yes, I only got credit for the bodies I flew close enough to & targetted. I was thinking it was a ping-and-go exercise :eek:


(*of course having flown through one sun and started to cook between two others in the HP32241 system on an accidental trip to Canopus the other night, being able to pop-back and sell is reassuring and the prices are now much better!!!)
 
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