Huge changes to crime and punishment. No discussions, no patch notes, no warning

[Starbuck Phoenix]

I am looking for clarification on the massive changes to the crime and punishment system. It would now appear that all Bounties issues to a cmdr now follow the cmdr. Previously they were ship specific.

So now those of us who have chosen to commit crimes for bgs operations have years worth of Bounties dumped onto their cmdr. With no choice but to pay these massive costs, simply because you changed a rule.

For me this equates to about 500 million. I have a member in my squadron with about 10 billion worth. He is now unable to land anywhere in our operations area. Where as before odyssey he could just change to a "clean ship"

These are massive changes. They are not in any patch notes. Nor have I seen it in any discussions. Please provide some details on why you've changed this. If this is indeed a permanent and intended change to crime and punishment. The very least you could have done is set the slate clean. I have several members with very large Bounties. We're asking that at the very minimum. In light of these massive changes. That you reset our Bounties to zero.. if not you are sentencing us to pay credits in the tens of billions. Because you changed how the system work.

 

[Cmdr Nemo]

I am looking for clarification on the massive changes to the crime and punishment system. It would now appear that all Bounties issues to a cmdr now follow the cmdr. Previously they were ship specific.

So now those of us who have chosen to commit crimes for bgs operations have years worth of Bounties dumped onto their cmdr. With no choice but to pay these massive costs, simply because you changed a rule.

For me this equates to about 500 million. I have a member in my squadron with about 10 billion worth. He is now unable to land anywhere in our operations area. Where as before odyssey he could just change to a "clean ship"

These are massive changes. They are not in any patch notes. Nor have I seen it in any discussions. Please provide some details on why you've changed this. If this is indeed a permanent and intended change to crime and punishment. The very least you could have done is set the slate clean. I have several members with very large Bounties. We're asking that at the very minimum. In light of these massive changes. That you reset our Bounties to zero.. if not you are sentencing us to pay credits in the tens of billions. Because you changed how the system work.

I'm curious, regardless of how you got them and or how they are assigned; If and when YOU were and are the one actually responsible for paying them which now having grown to be in the amounts of in some cases BILLIONS. Just when were YOU going to pay them?

 

[Starbuck Phoenix]

I'm curious, regardless of how you got them and or how they are assigned; If and when YOU were and are the one actually responsible for paying them which now having grown to be in the amounts of in some cases BILLIONS. Just when were YOU going to pay them?

In the old system Bounties were ships specific. Whether this be for combat undermining in powerplay. Or for bgs or for whatever reason /pirating and so on. The Bounties stayed with the ship. So you could own a "dirty" ship... never pay off the bounty and just change to a "clean" ship and go on your business.

I didn't make this system fdev did... now they change the system and expect us to fork out all the credits? It's absolutely unfair. I didn't make the system. They did. Now they change it and expect us to pay for it?

 

[Cmdr Nemo]

In the old system Bounties were ships specific. Whether this be for combat undermining in powerplay. Or for bgs or for whatever reason /pirating and so on. The Bounties stayed with the ship. So you could own a "dirty" ship... never pay off the bounty and just change to a "clean" ship and go on your business.

I didn't make this system fdev did... now they change the system and expect us to fork out all the credits? It's absolutely unfair. I didn't make the system. They did. Now they change it and expect us to pay for it?

Reckon it might be just me and quite possible no one else would agree. But in as much as YOU PERSONALLY were responsible for acquiring the various fines and or bounties that were assigned to the ship rather than you personally. In as much as YOU are the owner, doesn't it make you responsible to pay them at some time. Apparently, Fdev has choose now is the time.

 

[STRONTIUM DOG]

who would have guessed that even in a game crime doesn't pay
still one lntensive scrutiny of any world government or past leaders tells a different story ……………….

 

[InvisibleShadow]

Out of interest, is this a change in Horizons you are reporting?

I vaguely remember it being discussed as a difference for Odyssey. But I could be wrong.

 

[Starbuck Phoenix]

Out of interest, is this a change in Horizons you are reporting?

I vaguely remember it being discussed as a difference for Odyssey. But I could be wrong.

No, Horizons is unchanged. You can literally log into Horizons and the system returns to ship specific. This is Odyssey.

To comment on the people going haha... this is a game. The dev decides to change the rules of the game 5 years in and sentences people to pay sums based on a change? Regardless on your view on crime... or us committing crime. It is unfair to change a rule that has been in effect for 4 years... then require people to have to pay the price. The slate should be set clean if this is what they desire to be the new way of things. Our past record should be erased and start new with the new set of rules I place

 

[jim25]

lol

 

[Factabulous]

Well, they did tell you. Not much notice though

When playing ED: Odyssey after playing ED: Horizons:

• Crimes on players’ ships will be transferred to their commander, superpower bounties will be generated accordingly

 

[Starbuck Phoenix]

Well, they did tell you. Not much notice though

Thank you for the source. At least we can be assured this is an intended change. Not happy about it... they're punishing people for playing their game. I still believe they should erase old data and Start over if this is the case.

 

[LanceLord]

In the old system Bounties were ships specific. Whether this be for combat undermining in powerplay. Or for bgs or for whatever reason /pirating and so on. The Bounties stayed with the ship. So you could own a "dirty" ship... never pay off the bounty and just change to a "clean" ship and go on your business.

I didn't make this system fdev did... now they change the system and expect us to fork out all the credits? It's absolutely unfair. I didn't make the system. They did. Now they change it and expect us to pay for it?

Not bashing you here. But I think you missed Cmndr Nemo's point. It's called accountabillty. When where you planning on paying off your ship related fines? Didn't sound as though you ever intended to based on this post. And more specifically, it sounds like you're placing the blame on FDev who DIDNT' cause you to acquire those bounty fines (or accumulate any of them). I can tell you that whever I do shady BGS missions for one of the 3 big factions (or any star system faction for that matter) which will give me a bounty/wanted status, I ALWAYS made the effort to payoff my fines. Regardless whether the ship I was flying had a criminal status or not.

Not what you wanted to hear because I sense and emphasize with the salt on your end. But TBH, the old C&P system was sadly deficient in the P side of things which made the justice system very unbalanced. And Cmndrs were always complaining about that. Now FDev apparently (and quietly) remedied this deficit making for more balanced game play.
And (as in irl) this simulation has finally imposed consequences for a Cmndr's past actions in the game. Regardless whether said actions were in the name of the Empire/Federation/Alliance or some backwards frontier faction. Or from the Cmndr's sandboxing/PvP/PvE encounters and activities.

TL;DR
At the end of the day, it's all about accountability. Cmdrs like me who play a morally grey character --but make the point of presenting a "clean" non bounty status to the galaxy -- aren't going to be affected much by this seismic shift in C&P. Which means unfortunately, Cmndrs like you are going to be on the sore side of credits for a while. But the good news is the credit making opportunities have more than doubled based on the space legs expansion. You just need to cover your tracks by staying on top of your fines when you get a crime stat.

 

[Rubbernuke]

Bit sucky, means low cost spanking ships are the order of the day if bounty value is based on spanking ship value.

But I have to say, FD are hammering the balls of criminal gameplay over and over with each update, and with each step its making ED less dangerous and less appealing.

 

[TiberiusDuval]

Wow that sounds GOOD Hopefully gankers get financially destroyed

 

[Rubbernuke]

Wow that sounds GOOD Hopefully gankers get financially destroyed

It won't make a difference, since a ganker can outplay quite a percentage of regular players.

 

[Charlie Hustle]

This is too funny. Someone is literally complaining about paying for crimes they have committed. Racked up millions of dollars worth of bounties and saying how unfair it is. I hope your crimes made you enough money to pay it off. If not then, was it really worth it? You know you can just stay in Horizon.

 

[Rubbernuke]

The problems with this change:

Bounties per ship in PvE are too high
PvE BGS murder has been nerfed so much it is not worth it with this change
Gankers won't stop killing, since the salt is what they want and get
There is no upside to being a criminal- it pays less, and is far more dangerous but what do you get in return?
Will lock in the lawful opposing BGS gamestyle, and not direct action (i.e. murder will be ignored)

If FD make PvE murder really powerful in exchange for this, I'd be happy. As it is, its yet another change without thinking it through.

 

[Mysteron]

This is quite a good reversion to commander attached bounties. Previously commanders could use system authority multiple murder to attack faction influence. The side effect is horrendously large bounties which could be ditched simply by selling your ship but keeping the modules. I’m quite in favor of this reversion and hope it stays.

 

[LanceLord]

Reckon it might be just me and quite possible no one else would agree. But in as much as YOU PERSONALLY were responsible for acquiring the various fines and or bounties that were assigned to the ship rather than you personally. In as much as YOU are the owner, doesn't it make you responsible to pay them at some time. Apparently, Fdev has choose now is the time.

It also sounds like it's going to really suck for griefers and gankers the likes of He-who-assassinated-Salome-and-will-not-be-named-here and his nefarious brethern ilk. Rumor Mill has it that FDev PAID 100% of the bounties for the 'Conda belonging to He-who-assassinated-Salome-and-will-not-be-named-here when his ship got destroyed. This was in a video a while back. The total bounty was well over 1M credits

That being said, those conscientous PvP/RP space pirate Cmndrs & other PvP/criminal RP Cmnders will probably take this on the chin. And pay their fines with a stiff upper lip.
They now finally understand the consequences of what the "Dangerous" means in ED. Escaping the law and/or laundering your ships finally carry significant monetary consequences to the Cmndr who perpetrated the crime(s). Regardless whether it was PP or sandbox/RP driven. And this is as it should be, because it's not the SHIP which created the crime stat. But the CMNDR. Period.

And something tells me the greatest salt will be coming from those space ganker trolls. Especially the ones who earned their nefarous elite rank & OP engineered 'Condas on the blood and salt of n00b seal clubs. Sounds like their time in purgatory (grinding credits to restore whatever bounty fines they've occured to date) is going to be a bit of an indefinite stay.....

Especially with gankers the statue of He-who-assassinated-Salome-and-will-not-be-named-here. Cmndrs like him have most likely accumulated bounties that make Cmndr Starbuck Phoenix wingmate's 500M credits look like small change

 

[Rubbernuke]

This is quite a good reversion to commander attached bounties. Previously commanders could use system authority multiple murder to attack faction influence. The side effect is horrendously large bounties which could be ditched simply by selling your ship but keeping the modules. I’m quite in favor of this reversion and hope it stays.

Murder should now be changed to be much more potent BGS wise to balance things out- if its a massive risk it should be a massive reward.

 

[Charlie Hustle]

Not bashing you here. B

TL;DR
At the end of the day, it's all about accountability. Cmdrs like me who play a morally grey character --but make the point of presenting a "clean" non bounty status to the galaxy -- aren't going to be affected much by this seismic shift in C&P. Which means unfortunately, Cmndrs like you are going to be on the sore side of credits for a while. But the good news is the credit making opportunities have more than doubled based on the space legs expansion. You just need to cover your tracks by staying on top of your fines when you get a crime stat.

Yes exactly.. You know how many times i was inconvenienced by people like him. And i accepted that it was part of the game. But swallowed that 30+mil rebuy of my ship because i was ganked. Then they found a simple loophole, of getting another ship instead of just paying that bounty off. Any bounty i had i made it my business to pay it off because i didnt want a paywall to access a station to access missions, and have to worry about juggling ships. Matter of fact, i will be going to the first interstellar factor to see all my consolidated bounties to pay off. I like this system better anyways.