Humanity evolution.

dawinhi

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I`d like to discuss how humanity evolved in Elite universe over a millanium. Not in science or tech but phisicaly and mentaly. Do some of them become stronger and better suited for live in space or maybe weaker becose constant use of technology to make they life easier. Maybe for some of them telekenesis or telepathy(what will be realy usefull in vacuum of open space :cool:) is ordinal things. Or maybe they now have planty of new inharited sicknesses whith terreble simptoms. I`i is hard ti beleive what mutations and Gene crossingover just was stoped medicaly(or that what happend...).
Specialy i interested in phenotype diffirences between humans in differend colonies, do they tall or short and so on. I am very exited to see how different for example marsians from people of earth or Federation citizens from Empire. I hope developers will keep that in mind when they implent planet landing. So if you know what first and second colonies was, what epedemic, war or natural disaster what can affect evolution - tell me please. Also interesting to hear about other species what humans take with thems and how they adapt - domestic animals, plants, pets. I will be glad to hear any opinion.

26.05.2015
Also natural selection is not an only force of evolution. On other planets can be other forms of life what can affect human geneome through retroviruses, so thir effects can be usefull or deadly. More work for genetic reaserch!
 
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Meric

Meric
Unfortunately evolution is a VERY slow process. Humans have changed very little in the last 40,000 years or so.

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Also, telekenisis and telepathy are unlikely full stop because of physics :)
 

Aussiedroid

Aussiedroid
With humans on many worlds, I would see that we would change to suit our environments. So those on Mars, with lower gravity might be physically different (maybe taller, slimmer) than those in heavy gravity env. Likewise those living in space might have changed to a degree, but most of our evolution I would see being in gene manipulation/enhancements. Extend that over many millenia and I think you would start to see things like different liniations occuring (as in physical differences on earth like Asians vs Caucasians), but totally different based on the env. Could be bigger eyes in dark systems and the like (no racisim intended here at all folks).

I think we would also have much more advanced interfaces with our computers and other systems that surround us. Just look at the more recent changes with touch screens and instant access to info through the internet in the past few decades. Changed (although not physically) the way we work in many respects.

Lifespans I would expect to be longer, and more good years of that life extended so there is less aged issues.

Diets I think would also changed, and may adjust to local envs and food availability. It could also be that we have more nutritious super foods engineered in the future.

... oh you have got my mind going crazy on this dawinhi lol :)
 

dawinhi

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Meric said:
Unfortunately evolution is a VERY slow process. Humans have changed very little in the last 40,000 years or so.
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I was ready for this question. It was slow... But now homo is dominant species in entire galaxy. And frequncy of random mutations in direct ratio with number of cross(you know what) of same species from different areas. But we have entire planet isolated sociaties what lived in different from earth environment what make mutations more often. And now compare with your 40000 years as you say at witch humanity changed Significantly. You get my point?
 
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Cosmo

Cosmo
Aussiedroid said:
With humans on many worlds, I would see that we would change to suit our environments. So those on Mars, with lower gravity might be physically different (maybe taller, slimmer) than those in heavy gravity env. Likewise those living in space might have changed to a degree, but most of our evolution I would see being in gene manipulation/enhancements. Extend that over many millenia and I think you would start to see things like different liniations occuring (as in physical differences on earth like Asians vs Caucasians), but totally different based on the env. Could be bigger eyes in dark systems and the like (no racisim intended here at all folks).
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Yes genetic enhancements. For procreation people will prefer to use incubators (artificial uterus) to carry and birth their offspring. Because this will be cheaper, lifts the burden of pregnancy, safer and healthier (24/7 monitoring with the best nutrition) versus natural pregnancy. It will be available in a couple of decades.

Aussiedroid said:
I think we would also have much more advanced interfaces with our computers and other systems that surround us. Just look at the more recent changes with touch screens and instant access to info through the internet in the past few decades. Changed (although not physically) the way we work in many respects.
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More cybernetic and biological implants. The line between man and machine will fade.

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Lifespans I would expect to be longer, and more good years of that life extended so there is less aged issues.
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People's lifespan will drastically increase with new medicine that can slow the aging process. Birthrates will be low in developed countries, but the longer lifespan will stabilize the population. Now most developed countries have birthrates below replacement level.
 
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Goose4291

Banned
Goose4291
The opening parts of Elite: Mostly Harmless cover this quite well, with selective breeding being undertook by some of the people of Slough to provide the most suited genes to working in the planets High gravity environment.
 

dawinhi

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I am saying about natural evolution, not artificial modification. I think genetic modification of humans must be prohibited in most juresdictions. And besides it must be too costly and too dificult to use it any of entire planet citizens. Just realize how discusting it is to destroy what you geneticaly enherited from your ancesters to artificialy make you more suited for something. I is like lose part of yourself, part of your soul. I don`t think what genetic modification will be very popular. But genetics can be used to control natural mutations. Correcting fatal errors and predicting future phisical abilities of newborn childrens.
So how do you think what ability can humanity gain through twousand years of evolution on different planets. Not all of them but may be some on some planets.
 

Valethar

Valethar
Clearly they've regressed by 3301. They've forgotten how to make Windex or other similar solvents, judging by the number of dirty ship canopies.
 

Dr Roly

Dr Roly
We'be reached technological singularity by 3301. Computers have evolved to the point where humans are not needed. That's why none of the ships have any crew. Although I believe humanity will be making a resurgence in 1.3.
 

Zulu Romeo

Zulu Romeo
It's the sociological and cultural implications of new technologies that fascinate me the most. Judging by the sheer diversity of government types among the minor factions, I can imagine humanity at first dividing along general lines of traditionalism (preserving our current ways of life with tight controls on technology that might upset the status quo), futurism (embracing newer technologies and knowledge with few restrictions while never losing sight of what makes us human) and transhumanism (going completely off the other end and integrating electronic and biological modifications to improve the human race) and the social implications of each of these. Throw in the variable of non-Earth settlements with a new variety of environments, sciences and ideas to influence the general mindsets of the colonists, and add a dash of territorialism to divide populations geographically, and the shepherding influence of the parent major factions and powers, and the result is thousands of new factions with thousands of ideas, ideologies, and culturally acceptable norms.

It is possible that such changes could lead to increased sociopolitical and cultural extremism along all lines, with factions based upon a very specific idea that others find abhorrent or appealing. Over the course of a thousand years or so, I can imagine even more conflicts and wars developing along these ideologies. Indeed, given the speed of change in the past hundred years, it's even possible that the ED universe has underestimated how different humanity will be... or, if minor apocalypses occur among different factions, even overestimated this.
 

xslam

xslam
dawinhi said:
I am saying about natural evolution, not artificial modification. I think genetic modification of humans must be prohibited in most juresdictions. And besides it must be too costly and too dificult to use it any of entire planet citizens. Just realize how discusting it is to destroy what you geneticaly enherited from your ancesters to artificialy make you more suited for something. I is like lose part of yourself, part of your soul. I don`t think what genetic modification will be very popular. But genetics can be used to control natural mutations. Correcting fatal errors and predicting future phisical abilities of newborn childrens.
So how do you think what ability can humanity gain through twousand years of evolution on different planets. Not all of them but may be some on some planets.
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1000 years is not a evolutionary valuable time. 1000 years ago men were almos the same.

About gene modifications. Probably it will be prohibited somewhere. But demand give birth to supply. And for rich people gene modification can give a significant benefit. Their offspring (despite he barely could be their offspring) with the strength and intellect far surpassing standart human. The key factor: he will be much more succesful at competition.

At certain time, a corporation may face the opportunity: or it fing gene modded people and let then take key places inside the corporation, and as they more intelligent they can predict far beyond than best human analysts. Or corporation will lose against those who already used gene modded people, or even belongs to them. The other opportunity is to use cyborgs/General AI with free will and fully robotic production as well.
 
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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
And as planned, after 1000 years, Microsoft has kept its word, and windows is always in the version 10 (although much improved)

:)
 
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