Hydrogen Fuel - Scoop to Cargo bay?

Ok, so we can BUY fuel from the market and SELL fuel to the market.

But how does the fuel GET to the market?

-We cannot fuel scoop it and put it in the cargo bay

-We cannot scoop from gas giants

-We SHOULD be able to refine it from ice crystals in ice belts

We have a refinery module so why not allow that module to move fuel to cargo bay after fuel tank is filled?
 
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Because storing hydrogen is not easy and requires either for it to be stored at high pressure or at about 20 kelvin. If you want to store more fuel buy another fuel tank.
 
At the moment, as I read the game, we buy and sell from the station or port we're docked at, rather than any particular parties within it. We presumably dump fuel directly from our fuel tanks into theirs, via the same mechanism by which we normally refuel. Refueling to the cargo bay would really require lots of empty cargo containers, or so I would have thought.

In the long run, it would be good to get a more articulate mechanic, but I think it can wait until we have scooping from gas giants, which will hopefully allow the collection of more exotic materials than mere hydrogen.
 
But how does the fuel GET to the market?

I'd like to imagine there's heat shielded outposts very close to stars that are basically just gigantic class 90 fuel scoops.

Would be a neat station to dock at. Get behind its heat shield before you fry. High paying transfer missions for traders with heat sinks.
 
Because storing hydrogen is not easy and requires either for it to be stored at high pressure or at about 20 kelvin. If you want to store more fuel buy another fuel tank.

Im talking about having it as a COMMODITY not as FUEL.

And since we CAN buy hydrogen fuel as cargo from stations we should also be able to refine hydrogen TO cargo.
 
This OP is probably one for the suggestions section, but my understanding is that, in canon, NPC's supply hydrogen fuel commodity (as they also deliver ships to the shipyards, keep stations supplied with modules etc.)

Could be fun though, if you could package up fuel from your tank into the hold, and vice versa to refuel from cargo. Fuel isn't all that hard to come by in the game, and I don't think it would put the fuel rats out of work entirely, but it might be fun for some to spend time harvesting fuel from stars, packaging it, and selling to market. If we ever get the ability to supercruise between star systems, it might be useful to have a large supply of fuel in the hold too .. crossing systems without hyperspace would (for me) be quite the adventure but maybe not something lots of people would spend lots of time doing. I wonder if it might allow you to circumvent permits or something but I do know FD see this as a lower end priority.

In DDF discussions I know that there was talk about different grades (high octane military grades for instance) of fuel available, and scooping from gas giants should be possible, when they get developed for closer planet approach. My guess is that the OP suggestion is probably on the wishlist somewhere but not on the core gameplay priority list, as of yet. Something for the future?
 
This OP is probably one for the suggestions section, but my understanding is that, in canon, NPC's supply hydrogen fuel commodity (as they also deliver ships to the shipyards, keep stations supplied with modules etc.)

Could be fun though, if you could package up fuel from your tank into the hold, and vice versa to refuel from cargo. F

Im actually against the option to refuel the ship from cargohold.

FuelScoop-->Refinery-->Cargo-->Market is the only option im thinking.

Basically a form of gas mining since the fuel scoop should be able to handle all forms of hot gas.

EDIT: I could see a whole new market when gas giants are accessible and several types of gas for the commodity market.
 
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Yes you should be able to sell fuel to a station - it would enable a new role of fuel trader (big ship with scoop and extra tanks), although not very lucrative.

No you cannot store fuel from your tanks/scoop in your cargo bays - where do the cargo containers come from?

Edit: Okay a refinery generates cargo containers for minerals, but those are for rocks, while fuel is a volatile plasma; the containment issues are quite different.
 
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Im actually against the option to refuel the ship from cargohold.

Am interested to know why ... ?

Not especially useful (to refuel from cargo) as of right now, and you'd definitely be talking about giving upi a module slot for it. But, refuelling in deep space, going EVA maybe to do so, personally I think could be fun. Intereested to know your reason for being against, though apologies if this is going off topic.
 
Am interested to know why ... ?

Not especially useful (to refuel from cargo) as of right now, and you'd definitely be talking about giving upi a module slot for it. But, refuelling in deep space, going EVA maybe to do so, personally I think could be fun. Intereested to know your reason for being against, though apologies if this is going off topic.

Can't see the point when you can fit extra tanks and scoop.

As to the OP, again, what's the point? So you can sell fuel, why, there's no profit in it especially since it's a commodity you need to buy anyway.

You can already scoop to tanks, might as well simply ask to be able to sell unused fuel back to a station, scooping to sellable containers is pointless.
 
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Im talking about having it as a COMMODITY not as FUEL.

And since we CAN buy hydrogen fuel as cargo from stations we should also be able to refine hydrogen TO cargo.

Oh, so instead of choosing the efficient route and scooping it into a giant tank you would prefer to scoop it into small canisters that each hold one ton of hydrogen?

You are still faced with the storage problems I mentioned and now you need lots of canisters to store your hydrogen in.
Nevermind the fact that you have none of these canisters nor the very specific equipment that would be required to effectively fill them if you did. And to what end? To make a lousy 100 credits per ton? You would make 50k per trip in a t9.Go you.

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Yes you should be able to sell fuel to a station - it would enable a new role of fuel trader (big ship with scoop and extra tanks), although not very lucrative.

No you cannot store fuel from your tanks/scoop in your cargo bays - where do the cargo containers come from?

Edit: Okay a refinery generates cargo containers for minerals, but those are for rocks, while fuel is a volatile plasma; the containment issues are quite different.

Unless there is something in elite lore that specifically states this, there is no reason otherwise to think that fuel is stored as plasma. It is much more likely for fuel to be stored as compressed hydrogen and converted into plasma / energy on an as needed basis.
 
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