I don't think this is fair.

[Arnak]

Hi,

I accepted several missions to deliver goods to the same system but got destroyed before getting there.

Rebuying my Conda at 6 mill was bad enough but then to find I had to pay several fines for failing to deliver mission specific items on top was a real pain, surely my insurance should cover the loss of goods in transit?

What do you think?

 

[777Driver]

What do you think?

You entered into a contract to get the cargo to a port safely, you ended up getting yourself killed resulting in the loss of cargo - Got fined, you lost rep. sounds like everything's working correctly.

 

[micky1984]

Totally fair and it tells you the fine your going to get in the mission description for non delivery so you can't say you were not told

 

[anikaiful]

Hi,

I accepted several missions to deliver goods to the same system but got destroyed before getting there.

Rebuying my Conda at 6 mill was bad enough but then to find I had to pay several fines for failing to deliver mission specific items on top was a real pain, surely my insurance should cover the loss of goods in transit?

What do you think?

All fair there. You lost the goods. Next time be more careful.

 

[Kapow]

Hi,

I accepted several missions to deliver goods to the same system but got destroyed before getting there.

Rebuying my Conda at 6 mill was bad enough but then to find I had to pay several fines for failing to deliver mission specific items on top was a real pain, surely my insurance should cover the loss of goods in transit?

What do you think?

Is this a troll post? I mean that genuinely because first of all why would you fly basic CONDA (6 mill insurance)? I mean seriously you were asking to be blown up if you stacked up missions. Second of all this forum is turning into a thread after thread of people complaining about AI while it is 90% lack of skill or judgement for the new meta. Can mods just get a handle on it? These are not pointful threads about asking for help which many commanders including myself would be more than happy to offer.. Commanders just need to man up and start thinking about what they are doing and alternatively ask for help from other commanders which will be answered. If you stack on missions you stack on threat and if you have the basic conda, well you deserve to be blown up. End of Rant.

To respond to the question - Yes Absolutely fair - you a didn't deliver the cargo at all so you should be fined....

 

[Arnak]

Hi,

No, it is not a troll post I genuinely wanted other Cmdr's opinions.)

I don't agree that I fly a basic Conda as it has Bi-weave shields and 2 shield boosters plus good weapons, more to follow when I have the credits...

Yes the missions were stacked but legally from the missions boards not logging out and in again.

I accept the criticism regarding being more careful but it was not solely my fault as I was only delivering some liquor and then received a message saying to watch out for an enemy who would try and interdict me, something that I had not seen before and after I had taken off.

Taking the missions did not seem so dangerous as it wasn't illicit cargo or to an anarchy system but I was jumped by another Conda with powerful weapons so I only lasted a few seconds and could not boost away in time.8-((

Calling my a cry baby is very unfair as this is the only time I have posted regarding this issue and it was a genuine question regarding insurance cover, I thought I was fully comprehensive not just third party only.)

So, OK, I accept the total loss and live and learn, hopefully better luck next time?

 

[MickyG1982]

If you stack missions, be prepared for a more robust response from the AI, this has always been the case, even in 2.0.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Unfair is when the mission bugs out and you get a fine. I got 1 m fine for having to abandon a mission due to delivery bug.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

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What do you think?

I think the fines shouldn't apply when they cargo is lost through ship destruction.

They should be a way to prevent players from selling that stuff or for abandoning the mission.

 

[Bomba Luigi]

They didn't give you the cargo as a gift, it was there cargo that needed to go somwhere. You didn't deliver it, so you have to pay for the cargo.

 

[Codger]

Stacking missions is much more risky now. You'll have multiple ships on your tail.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

Oh and mission stacking is now a not so good idea. Many missions will spawn NPCs that try to kill you. Stack missions and you increase the chances of getting interdicted and destroyed.

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They didn't give you the cargo as a gift, it was there cargo that needed to go somwhere. You didn't deliver it, so you have to pay for the cargo.

And you "died" with your ship or something like that…

In the end it's just a matter of what makes sense form a gameplay point of view. I think ship destruction and reduced reputation are enough punishment.

 

[kofeyh]

Wait.

You stacked missions, which will trigger more AI interaction and are grumpy that increased interaction resulted in more risk, up to and including loss of your ship (I am sorry for your loss).

But this is akin to saying "I repeatedly hit a hornets nest (stacking missions) and the hornets (ai) dun killed me and I think that's not how it should work". Sorry commander, if you put yourself at increased risk, on purpose, complaining that increased risk isn't fair, is - well it's a bit illogical, don't you think?

The risk of stacking missions is the potential for total loss write down of all cargo, a percentage of the ship's value, and a loss of rep. Again, sorry it ended badly, but it was your choice to accept the risk. Fly safe.

There are definately ways you can stack the deck in your advantage, though. But it does mean being more aware of your surroundings and always always having an exit strategy.

 

[anikaiful]

Hi,

No, it is not a troll post I genuinely wanted other Cmdr's opinions.)

I don't agree that I fly a basic Conda as it has Bi-weave shields and 2 shield boosters plus good weapons, more to follow when I have the credits...

Yes the missions were stacked but legally from the missions boards not logging out and in again.

I accept the criticism regarding being more careful but it was not solely my fault as I was only delivering some liquor and then received a message saying to watch out for an enemy who would try and interdict me, something that I had not seen before and after I had taken off.

Taking the missions did not seem so dangerous as it wasn't illicit cargo or to an anarchy system but I was jumped by another Conda with powerful weapons so I only lasted a few seconds and could not boost away in time.8-((

Calling my a cry baby is very unfair as this is the only time I have posted regarding this issue and it was a genuine question regarding insurance cover, I thought I was fully comprehensive not just third party only.)

So, OK, I accept the total loss and live and learn, hopefully better luck next time?

As far as I recon, your old bi-weave is bugged in most cases. It melts before you can say cat, and if you go see outfitting... you see some very disturbing numbers. Toss it to trash bin for now and get real shields. Friend had bi-weaves, got ship melted - he swapped the 6C bi-weave to 6C normal (hadn't cash for 6A) - stopped being toasted.

 

[Bomba Luigi]

And you "died" with your ship or something like that…

In the end it's just a matter of what makes sense form a gameplay point of view. I think ship destruction and reduced reputation are enough punishment.

How much insurance you have to pay is not really the missionsgivers problem or concern and I don't think it should be.

 

[Kapow]

Hi,

No, it is not a troll post I genuinely wanted other Cmdr's opinions.)

I don't agree that I fly a basic Conda as it has Bi-weave shields and 2 shield boosters plus good weapons, more to follow when I have the credits...

Yes the missions were stacked but legally from the missions boards not logging out and in again.

I accept the criticism regarding being more careful but it was not solely my fault as I was only delivering some liquor and then received a message saying to watch out for an enemy who would try and interdict me, something that I had not seen before and after I had taken off.

Taking the missions did not seem so dangerous as it wasn't illicit cargo or to an anarchy system but I was jumped by another Conda with powerful weapons so I only lasted a few seconds and could not boost away in time.8-((

Calling my a cry baby is very unfair as this is the only time I have posted regarding this issue and it was a genuine question regarding insurance cover, I thought I was fully comprehensive not just third party only.)

So, OK, I accept the total loss and live and learn, hopefully better luck next time?

Cry baby is edited out now as it was written in light of all the threads I've just read. Not just yours. It wasn't directed specifically at you, but more generally on all the threads "FD ruined the Game" which have been popping out which generally have the cause in the player rather then the game.

Stacking missions in a weak ship is a bad idea. If Conda has C Bi shields (then it is still very weak) especially if you were not using SCB to keep your Shields up. Bi shields take a minute to reboot, which is more then enough time to get blown up. Low end conda is just generally rather risky at the moment in the new meta unless you are skilled combat pilot.

 

[Siranui]

Unfortunately, it's the downside of such missions, which is balanced by the good profits and not needing to buy the cargo yourself.

Good attitude towards picking yourself up, dusting off and getting back to it, though.

 

[kofeyh]

I think the fines shouldn't apply when they cargo is lost through ship destruction.

Part of the deal is we agree to get stuff from point A, to point B; there's no insurance on cargo so we accept all risk. I'd be okay with the notion you can buy cargo insurance; this means ship destruction causes an insurance claim, this potentially means delivery can occur within the window (you end up down credits but you're back at the source station, and get another shot at delivery).

If we agree to deliver, then this is a contract and should be taken a bit seriously. The payment is based on there being some risk (hint, if the mission is paying out a lot, it almost certainly will be updated part way through with a random AI encounter) - as is the way, there is no such thing as a free lunch.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

How much insurance you have to pay is not really the missionsgivers problem or concern and I don't think it should be.

In case of ship destruction the game treats you as dead in some situations:
- you wanted status is removed and your bounty becomes dormant (non existent)
- your discovery data gets erased

But for those missions the game considers you alive.

It's not logical as the game treats the same thing differently for different aspects of the game.

The mission givers are just part of the game, so while I understand that from a lore, RP point of view it's logical to having to pay the fine. The rest of the game doesn't know if a CMDR dies on ship destruction or if the CMDR survives.

The result is, in my opinion, that in-game explanations aren't really usable. The only question that matters, in my opinion, is if it makes the game more enjoyable or better or results in something the developers think is a good thing for the game.

 

[anikaiful]

In case of ship destruction the game treats you as dead in some situations:
- you wanted status is removed and your bounty becomes dormant (non existent)
- your discovery data gets erased

But for those missions the game considers you alive.

It's not logical as the game treats the same thing differently for different aspects of the game.

The mission givers are just part of the game, so while I understand that from a lore, RP point of view it's logical to having to pay the fine. The rest of the game doesn't know if a CMDR dies on ship destruction or if the CMDR survives.

The result is, in my opinion, that in-game explanations aren't really usable. The only question that matters, in my opinion, is if it makes the game more enjoyable or better or results in something the developers think is a good thing for the game.

To mission it doesn't matter of CMDR is dead or alive, cargo is lost. But if they turn out to be alive, well - they know whom to bill.