I feel dirty. We didn't do it like this in Jameson's Day

Tath

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I find myself flying around inhabited space, y'know doing this. Doing that. Enjoying the view. Occasionally I get interdicted by some Johnny come lately NPC in his new-fandangle Vulture or Viper Mk IV and I have to turn myself from quiet trader to combat pilot. Laser hardpoints are deployed from my Cobra Mk III, missiles begin their tick-tick to gain a lock. Eventually, more often than not, my foe is reduced to chargrilled rubble and I tumble about gathering the material bounty from the debris. I occasionally grunt with satisfaction.

But...

But... I feel guilty.

My foe was not defeated by the sweat of my brow. By the careful alignment of eye and the reflex twitch of my trigger finger. No...

...the targetting algorithm did it. The figure eight twitch of a dirty computer did it. My gimballed laser did it.

I feel dirty. We didn't do it like this in Jameson's day.


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I don't like gimballed weapons. No, really.

I -adore- missiles.

Am I alone?


P.S. Oh, and don't get me started on docking computers. In my day, when I was a lad, no one used docking computers...
 
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biohazard15

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Gosh, not another "Make the game really hardcore!!!" thread...
The Game is fine as it is. Period. You don't like it - go away and play your beloved Dark Souls or something that makes your brows sweat profusely. Most of us play for fun, not for sweat.
 

Space

Space
I use them when it's the best tactical decision. I am a good pilot, and don't care which mounts I use if they fit the ship. The damage drop on gimbals is very noticeable, so I always use fixed ones if the ship is agile enough. However, on some heavier ships, it's neccesary to use gimbals, or even turrets. *cough* keelback *cough*
 

Tath

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Space said:
I use them when it's the best tactical decision. I am a good pilot, and don't care which mounts I use if they fit the ship. The damage drop on gimbals is very noticeable, so I always use fixed ones if the ship is agile enough. However, on some heavier ships, it's neccesary to use gimbals, or even turrets. *cough* keelback *cough*
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Well, yes. If they are tactically right. I suppose.

But...

... I don't like them.

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biohazard15 said:
Gosh, not another "Make the game really hardcore!!!" thread...
The Game is fine as it is. Period. You don't like it - go away and play your beloved Dark Souls or something that makes your brows sweat profusely. Most of us play for fun, not for sweat.
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No, no, you misunderstand. It is not about making the game hardcore. I fully understand they are the expedient weapon of choice.

I don't ​like them. :x
 

KR4K40

KR4K40
"I don't like gimballs"

On a small and reasonably agile ship I understand, but have you ever flown anything larger than an AspiE?
 

Speedy O

Speedy O
OP, I get what you mean.... Feels a little cheaty?... As you say, dirty....
In my limited experience, they are a must in some ships....
Save your fixie lust for a slightly nimbler ship, maybe?

Not that I'm a rep for Lakon or a DBS salesman.... but a DBS.

Gimball your Cobra, but save your soul in a Diamondback.
 

Achilles7

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Achilles7
Tath said:
I find myself flying around inhabited space, y'know doing this. Doing that. Enjoying the view. Occasionally I get interdicted by some Johnny come lately NPC in his new-fandangle Vulture or Viper Mk IV and I have to turn myself from quiet trader to combat pilot. Laser hardpoints are deployed from my Cobra Mk III, missiles begin their tick-tick to gain a lock. Eventually, more often than not, my foe is reduced to chargrilled rubble and I tumble about gathering the material bounty from the debris. I occasionally grunt with satisfaction.

But...

But... I feel guilty.

My foe was not defeated by the sweat of my brow. By the careful alignment of eye and the reflex twitch of my trigger finger. No...

...the targetting algorithm did it. The figure eight twitch of a dirty computer did it. My gimballed laser did it.

I feel dirty. We didn't do it like this in Jameson's day.


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I don't like gimballed weapons. No, really.
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Oh really? get yourself some fixed m/cs on whatever ship you like..find a wing of high ranked Vipers & post your subsequent vid of the engagement here...with a backtracking statement!
 

Tath

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Speedy O said:
OP, I get what you mean.... Feels a little cheaty?... As you say, dirty....
In my limited experience, they are a must in some ships....
Save your fixie lust for a slightly nimbler ship, maybe?

Not that I'm a rep for Lakon or a DBS salesman.... but a DBS.

Gimball your Cobra, but save your soul in a Diamondback.
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Haha. That last line is great! That should be an advert for the Diamondback. :)
 
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Tath

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Achilles7 said:
Oh really? get yourself some fixed m/cs on whatever ship you like..find a wing of high ranked Vipers & post your subsequent vid of the engagement here...with a backtracking statement!
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I would probably struggle. My combat skills are improving, through moment to moment use of Flight Assist Off but I am certainly no Ace. :)

I have tried a whole range of weapon fittings. Fixed weapons are the only ones that really give me the right Elite '84 buzz. Now, multicannons... they're good... but...

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Jukelo said:
A silly man once told his student "there's no artistry in killing with the tip, it should be done with the edge". This man had his head bashed in by men who cared little about artistry.

Use the bloody gimbals.
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Understood. But if I want to kill them, or pull a leg off the spider -- I launch two missiles off their rails. [praise]
 

Adhock

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If you don't liked Gimbaled you can always use fixed.

I would say you're alone in using gimbaled and not running fixed otherwise. I use a mix myself. I'm in it for the kill.
 

Codger

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Jukelo said:
A silly man once told his student "there's no artistry in killing with the tip, it should be done with the edge". This man had his head bashed in by men who cared little about artistry.

Use the bloody gimbals.
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Pretty much this. If I win, then I did the right thing. I don't care if it was because my ship was 10 times bigger, or anything else. :)
 

KR4K40

KR4K40
Tath said:
No, no I haven't. Please explain. :)
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Any ship of M size and above which is not combat oriented is practically useless in combat without gimballs. AspX can manage, Python with a lot of FAOFF but Conda, iCutter, iClipper, FGS, FDS? You can forget about it. If you're good you can manage fixed lasers but kinetics are a whole other story because you gotta lead. A conda/cutter even NEEDS FAoff to use gimballs. Even the Corvette can't use only fixed weps.
 

Tath

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Interesting.

Should larger ships be able to bring all of their guns to bear all of the time? Surely some visceral fun might be had bringing that one huge fixed weapon on target some of the time?

Thank you for explaining.

You kind of touch on my purpose with making this thread of discussion originally. Gimballed weapons are *too* efficient and not viscerally rewarding enough for the kind of skill-shot style of play I like. In the original Elite, you could yaw and pitch and bring the distant three pixels that were your enemy into focus and obliterate them. You were not immediately forced into counter-orbit combat at a distance of three kilometres, as I recall.

I miss combat at more distant ranges. Am I alone in that want? Fixed weapons... at range...? :)
 
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Xeraze

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Yeah I mean if those infinite ammo pirates don't get them either then I say throw gimbals in the bin. I would even go as far as to say all combat should be naval.

Broadsides!
 
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