I forgot to turn on my DK2..

Special_Circumstances

Special_Circumstances
So i fired up ED the other day and forgot to have turned on the DK2 beforehand.

I decided to see what the game is like playing it on a monitor. I've never played ED on a monitor in 2D, I always played Beta and now Live in a DK1 and DK2 when it was released.

I have to say, without question, I have no idea how anyone plays the game that way. those people that do, and proclaim to love ED would literally die on the spot if they played in a DK2!

If you've never tried it you should, to see what they're missing. The only thing that's different that I never knew was the cockpit shake they get on a monitor when accelerating etc. That'd make you sick quickly in a DK2 so I'm glad they didn't port that across.


It's easy to forget how awesome VR really is.
 

AvMANDGI

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I play in 2D when I do my trading runs. I need to be able to read my notes and use a pen and paper. I too agree that the Head shake in 2d is quite bothersome now that I have played in the Rift. I never noticed it until after I played in the Rift though. Even in 2d With TrackIR it gets me thinking my tracking is off. Glad its not part of the Rift experience.
 

SchroedingersNeko

SchroedingersNeko
While a OR sounds like a lot of fun, 2D will have to do for me, having next to no sight in my left eye kinda makes all 3D peripherals pointless and a waste of cash, so standard screens for me.
 

noodle

noodle
Evangelism. Yawn.

It's great that you love it, but that doesn't mean that everyone else has to. Ditto Linux, Apple, smart cars, digital media, yadda yadda yadda.
 

schuesseled

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noodle said:
Evangelism. Yawn.

It's great that you love it, but that doesn't mean that everyone else has to. Ditto Linux, Apple, smart cars, digital media, yadda yadda yadda.
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3D movies, god how i hate 3d movies. It's like poking yourself in the eye whilst trying to enjoy a film.
 

Wolfox

Wolfox
SchroedingersNeko said:
While a OR sounds like a lot of fun, 2D will have to do for me, having next to no sight in my left eye kinda makes all 3D peripherals pointless and a waste of cash, so standard screens for me.
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Ehm what happens in the RIFT is what happens in real life, If you see with one eye in real life, you will also in the rift, the nice thing of the Rift is mostly the possibility of free movement when, well, looking around. After comes the depth of the 3D effect.
Maybe is better for who as only one view point, you will not have focusing issues. But maybe i'm wrong.
 

cherbert

cherbert
I honestly believe that those people who have never put one on seem to think its a monitor strapped to your head and you have a large screen hovering in front of you. Its not - its probably the first step toward the Holodeck experience. You are actually in your spaceship. God knows what it will be like 10 years from now. You telling me there will be people who prfer using a 2D monitor than actually stepping into another reality?

This not Windows vs Linux - that's just trivialising the subject and it most certainly should not be compared to 3D. I would even go as far as saying its not Evangelism. Its pure excitement and frustration at not being able to convey to people who haven't tried it what it is like.

I know the DK2 is only a dev kit and there will be a few more years refining the technology but VR is and will change gaming forever and those that haven't tried it should really hold off criticising it until the day they do when their jaw drops at the massive presence they feel and the scale of the stations, ships and planets that surround them.


SchroedingersNeko said:
While a OR sounds like a lot of fun, 2D will have to do for me, having next to no sight in my left eye kinda makes all 3D peripherals pointless and a waste of cash, so standard screens for me.
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You will still get a sense of scale and feel like you are there. Don't be too quick to dismiss the technology.
 
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Special_Circumstances

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I'm certainly not trying to be Evangalistic. Nor do I feel everyone should like it.

I'm pretty sure many people that haven't ever tried it will love it though.

The intention of the thread was to celebrate VR to those who also own and use VR and may not yet have tried this game in 2D.

Oddly it seemed to have attracted more people who don't like VR than do. I didn't realise there was such a hipster presence on this forum lol :) In a VR sub forum as well, of all places.
 

NoshDaMinsk

NoshDaMinsk
Special_Circumstances said:
I'm certainly not trying to be Evangalistic. Nor do I feel everyone should like it.

I'm pretty sure many people that haven't ever tried it will love it though.

The intention of the thread was to celebrate VR to those who also own and use VR and may not yet have tried this game in 2D.

Oddly it seemed to have attracted more people who don't like VR than do. I didn't realise there was such a hipster presence on this forum lol :) In a VR sub forum as well, of all places.
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Agreed - I think evangelism is a bit harsh, to be fair.

I find peeps sharing their experiences with VR very interesting and is welcome; cheers! :)

Nosh
 

noodle

noodle
Special_Circumstances said:
I'm certainly not trying to be Evangalistic. Nor do I feel everyone should like it.

I'm pretty sure many people that haven't ever tried it will love it though.
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I try not to be pretty sure about other people's preferences, because I'm usually wrong ;)

I have no interest in the DK2. I want hi-res, I want to be able to see my keyboards and buttons, and I don't actually want that level of immersion. Oh, and I don't want to have to throw another grand at my PC just to make the OR run smoothly :p
 

NoshDaMinsk

NoshDaMinsk
noodle said:
I try not to be pretty sure about other people's preferences, because I'm usually wrong ;)

I have no interest in the DK2. I want hi-res, I want to be able to see my keyboards and buttons, and I don't actually want that level of immersion. Oh, and I don't want to have to throw another grand at my PC just to make the OR run smoothly :p
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Hey Noodle - I let a good friend of mine try it a few weeks back - and he didn't like it at all. He liked the 'sense' of 3D etc, but preferred the 'tactile' part of the game (seeing hands, controllers etc).

It certainly isn't for everyone, that's for sure ;)

Nosh.
 

NumptyScrub

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SchroedingersNeko said:
While a OR sounds like a lot of fun, 2D will have to do for me, having next to no sight in my left eye kinda makes all 3D peripherals pointless and a waste of cash, so standard screens for me.
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So I completely understand that the stereoscopic part is useless for you, but the head tracking will still work fine, allowing you 3 degrees of visual freedom inside the cockpit. What sold it to me when I used a friends DK2 was not the stereoscopy, it was the head tracking. The ability to look around through the big windows in the Sidey or Cobra, to follow targets out of my direct forward sight-line and still see their orientation, allowing me to judge their next manoeuvre and prepare for it. You can get that using monitors, as long as you have around 6 monitors to cover the 90 degree vertical, 180 degree horizontal window area, or you can just use an HMD with head tracking (generally cheaper than an extra 5 monitors and the GPU to run them). ;)

Sure, the DK2 could do with a resolution upgrade, but even as is, the extra utility over a monitor (or bank of monitors) is astounding. At this point, the only thing that would make me get rid of my DK2 is Oculus releasing the CV1 :D
 

Special_Circumstances

Special_Circumstances
noodle said:
I try not to be pretty sure about other people's preferences, because I'm usually wrong ;)

I have no interest in the DK2. I want hi-res, I want to be able to see my keyboards and buttons, and I don't actually want that level of immersion. Oh, and I don't want to have to throw another grand at my PC just to make the OR run smoothly :p
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It definitely isn't for everyone. That's for sure. And at the moment it is costly as it's not even a consumer product.

Give it 5 maybe even 10 years though and the headsets will be lighter, have a much wider field of view, higher resolutions, increased frame rate etc etc. All the things that people criticise the most about the experience currently.

I owned a DK1 and upgrade to a DK2 the day it was released (front of the long queue) so I guess I'm bought in from the beginning. You aren't, it seems. And that's just fine for both of us.

I think many people that play games that have yet to try VR will love it. That's a particular demogrpahic that's far more likely to get access, or want access to it. Have had many years experience viewing 3D games and have an innate ability to play video games.

My wife hates the DK2, and all VR. It makes her terribly sick in mere seconds. I, on the other hand, can endure limitless time in any experience I've found having never experienced real motion sickness in it. My only real problem with VR currently is the foam on the face mask dries my skin out and makes it sore if I wear the DK2 for more than 6 hours. It's probably a good thing otherwise I'd probably not take it off..


The possibilities for VR in the future are also incredible. For me mostly in Education, oddly enough.
 
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noodle

noodle
Special_Circumstances said:
It definitely isn't for everyone. That's for sure. And at the moment it is costly as it's not even a consumer product.

Give it 5 maybe even 10 years though and the headsets will be lighter, have a much wider field of view, higher resolutions, increased frame rate etc etc.
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Quite. At which point, I'll be marginally more interested. It'll never work for me unless they can figure out a way to view the keyboard with the headset on though (as well as browsing/general computer use/reaching for a cup of coffee).
 

Splendour

Splendour
SchroedingersNeko said:
While a OR sounds like a lot of fun, 2D will have to do for me, having next to no sight in my left eye kinda makes all 3D peripherals pointless and a waste of cash, so standard screens for me.
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Seriously - try it.

At Fantasticon I demod the Beta on the DK2 to a girl who only had vision in one eye and she was beyond thriilled by it, said it was the first time anything '3d' had worked for her
 

Katkon

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I have a DK2 and prefer to play without it. True, it's much more immersive but the pixelation is horrible. Game looks much prettier on a big screen TV.
 
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