Horizons I have a dumb trip computer... it only takes me to places i CANT scoop fuel.

[yodajedifishmaster]

When im in the map screen i tell the computer to plot me a route to such-and-such system, and it thinks about the last 5% (it always sticks at 95% for a while) then comes up with a route. brilliant in inhabited space! i havent had any issues with it normally.

unfortunately its stupider than it tries to make out.... when well outside inhabited system space, i have noticed it LOVES to plot you a long route ONLY going through class T and Y brown dwarf systems. its like its SPECIFICALLY trying to strand you.

surely it would have enough brains to notice you have a fuel scoop fitted and plot every 3rd or 4th jump to a star class you can scoop from?

Maybe we should have another check box after fastest route one you can pick, to tell it you have a working fuel scoop.
or maybe an option in modules screen or someplace; to be able to tell the galaxy map computer 'plot to include scoopable system every x jumps' where you can specify the x as a number 3 or 4 or 5.

 

[bigity]

That would be nice, I guess they want you to have to actually plot these out yourself though.

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

I think it's just bad/good luck.

I'm out at Sag A and even in the immensely dense systems, sometimes I'll land in 3-4 unscoopables in a row.

But then, I'll find 10-15 scoopables in a row too.

I assume you know about setting the map star filters to KGBFOAM, that'll only show the scoopable stars then. Then you can check to see if your route has unscoopables in it too.

 

[yodajedifishmaster]

yep i know but i also want to scan undiscovered systems. and eliminating some of them because not scoopable decrease the chances a lot.

 

[Alex Brentnall]

If you are at 0 +/-100 in height you'll find literally a field of unscoopables. Travel vertically for 100-300Ly and you'll be ok.

Edited: If you Get stuck, call the Fuel Rats - http://www.fuelrats.com/

 

[xondk]

When im in the map screen i tell the computer to plot me a route to such-and-such system, and it thinks about the last 5% (it always sticks at 95% for a while) then comes up with a route. brilliant in inhabited space! i havent had any issues with it normally.

unfortunately its stupider than it tries to make out.... when well outside inhabited system space, i have noticed it LOVES to plot you a long route ONLY going through class T and Y brown dwarf systems. its like its SPECIFICALLY trying to strand you.

surely it would have enough brains to notice you have a fuel scoop fitted and plot every 3rd or 4th jump to a star class you can scoop from?

Maybe we should have another check box after fastest route one you can pick, to tell it you have a working fuel scoop.
or maybe an option in modules screen or someplace; to be able to tell the galaxy map computer 'plot to include scoopable system every x jumps' where you can specify the x as a number 3 or 4 or 5.

You are sorting for fastest, I gather, which is what it gives you.

It would be nice with an option for it to include fuel usage and indicate good sites for refuel, but then the route wouldn't be fastest any more, so yeah, more options would be nice.

And that said 97% of the time, there's always a scoopable star one very short jump away. Or at least that is my experience.

 

[yodajedifishmaster]

thanks! i will give that a try! i just got my first discovery discoveries all sold and sealed. COL 359 SECTOR OM-T A34-2 is all mine! well... i found it anyway. thats enough for me. i leave exploiting the riches to those with SRV lol.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Filtering unscoopables out of the map doesn't filter them out of your route planner.
It just gives you a quick visual cue.

Is there a visible star at a kink in the route before the line goes dotted?
Yup, all good.
Nope, replot.

If I hit a run of unscoopables, I'd usually wait until I only had 1/3rd of a tank left and then check.

 

[Archvillain]

The trip computer isn't dumb. It just hates you and is trying to kill you

(Seriously though, navigation is already almost entirely automated and trivially easy, it needs to retain at least some gameplay. I enjoy the need to chart courses intelligently, to check that I'm not doing anything stupid, overlooking anything, etc. The game would be less interesting without at least something to fear screwing up )

 

[yodajedifishmaster]

i still think its trying to kill me lol. and as you say, its sort of a safety feature. you have to check the map, so you dont sleepwalk into a bad situation. i usually check the next 2 stars if i hit 2 unscoopables in a row. thats saved me a number of times 400 ly out. i havent gone further yet than that because thats where my first first discovery system was. im planning my next trip out to be more sightseeing than pure exploring and scanning. want to go see some nebulae or something.

 

[Alex Brentnall]

i still think its trying to kill me lol. and as you say, its sort of a safety feature. you have to check the map, so you dont sleepwalk into a bad situation. i usually check the next 2 stars if i hit 2 unscoopables in a row. thats saved me a number of times 400 ly out. i havent gone further yet than that because thats where my first first discovery system was. im planning my next trip out to be more sightseeing than pure exploring and scanning. want to go see some nebulae or something.

Can highly recommend Barnards loop. Go check out Messier 78 and if you get time Betelgeuse is well worth the trip. Mintaka (black hole) is also pretty close by.

 

[frostypaw]

It's worth putting the map into 'just unscoopables' now and then in case you've got yourself caught up in one of the badlands areas, there's also a plane of unscoopables that passes through the bubble as well - pick the wrong route and you can end up constantly dipping in and out of it without meaning too so worth a quick check. it meanders up and down

The Loop is far better sightseeing than the Pleiades there are some amazing views, but LBN 623 is just stunning....

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

Go to Sagittarius A
It's not far.... Honest.


On a serious note, don't go to Sag A unless you have completed all the mental tests required to keep you sane for the entire trip...
It's 25,000ly. Lol

The up side is, that about half way, the stars become so dense, you can never run out of fuel.
I even found a binary system where I could fuel from both stars at the same time... Lol wasabit toasty though!

I'm all excited cos I'm on my way, been travelling about 2 weeks, and I'm less than 1000ly from The Great Annihilator, and only about 2000ly to Sag A after that...

But then I have to come home..... 25,000.. Again! Ahhhhhhh!

 

[Witcherman]

Yeah, the trip computer is dumb considering that my trip computer made 10 years ago is smarter than the one I have in a ship capable of interstellar travel. :/

 

[Rob Galaxy]

Yeah, the trip computer is dumb considering that my trip computer made 10 years ago is smarter than the one I have in a ship capable of interstellar travel. :/

You see in the whole ship functions (scanner, nav computer, a.o.) that the programmers in year 3302 the most worst ever seen.[big grin]

 

[yodajedifishmaster]

thanks for the suggestions where to go! im learning all the time, which is good. perhaps the trip plotting part of the computer is from software writtento complete a tender contract - so it would have been the lowest quote that succeeded lol.

i keep finding salvageable wreck sites with data caches. it annoys me that picking up those or escape pods or even cargo from a pirate that was suicidal enough to attack me is illegal. i understand about how some contracts make it ok, or something - but with escape pods in particular, and recovered data caches, surely there should be a salvage and wreck insurance recovery organisation? like lloyds for shipping insurance.

especially occupied pods - i dont know if they are awake in them, but wouldnt it drive you insane to see ship after ship drop out of supercruise and NOT rescue you because its illegal? that doesnt make ANY sense. the coast guard or RNLI dont refuse to go to ships in distress unless they have got a contract to do so right? and ships at sea real life all respond to SOS they dont refuse to pick up the survivors in life rafts because they would have to sell them to human traffickers or get fined if they were found on board during a check while docking! the asylums in elite must be jammed with rescued victims who went nuts because of the torture of not being rescued for years. being enslaved by pirates would be preferable!

i think it would be sort of like an anti black market - in contacts if there is no black market there will be an insurance recovery desk, if you return there with (now LEGAL) data caches or escape pods you get an advance on a reward which may come through later - call it a recovery fee, with possibility of a % salvage reward (say 5% of the salvage value for cargo or data caches). returning occupied escape pods should be a flat rate reward, for the saving of human life. but you would still have the option to sell at black markets maybe getting more and sometimes getting less?

anyways thats one idea. my other idea is that mirrored armor on ships would help with heat when fuel scooping. it wouldnt affect me though i prefer mil spec composite.

 

[winterknight]

The route planner only selects the most economical or fastest route, it doesn't necessarily take you to refuelling stars. So you either have to check the whole route it has given you, probably not what you want to do if you have asked for ~1000Ly. Either select shorter distances, or as soon as you find Dark Sectors, i.e "Coalsack Dark Sector" in the next system setting alter course around the sector.

Warning not all dark sectors are titled "Dark sectors", so if you have hit 3 or 4 bad stars, check the route and if ahead is all L or T stars then head away or back out asap.

From a Commander who made Explorer Elite Yesterday.

 

[babelfisch]

Maybe we should have another check box after fastest route one you can pick, to tell it you have a working fuel scoop.
or maybe an option in modules screen or someplace; to be able to tell the galaxy map computer 'plot to include scoopable system every x jumps' where you can specify the x as a number 3 or 4 or 5.

I think it would be enough to add checkpoints to the route planner. You could just add KGBFOAM systems to your current route. That way it would still be "challenging" / requiere your "navigation skills". Checkpoints + rountrips would help traders as well.

 

[Andrej]

Before complaining about stupid computers, we should remember that by the lore, after some trouble with AI in the past, all smart computer become illegal, we should be thankful that we have any computers at all.

 

[yodajedifishmaster]

Before complaining about stupid computers, we should remember that by the lore, after some trouble with AI in the past, all smart computer become illegal, we should be thankful that we have any computers at all.

maybe my trip computer slipped though the net and is an AI with a grudge against humans.... yikes