I think every pieces DLC should have its Animal Pack counterpart. Here's my Africa Animal Pack
- Thread starter TaPele
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I agree. We need animal packs for Africa, Oceania and South America. I also think an East Asia animal pack would be cool. We already got the building sets in the base game, so why not get just the iconic animals that are missing.
I've already posted my wishlist for said packs in other topics. I agree with the leopard and the nile croc and we really need a dromedary camel but i would prefer if it is part of a Desert or Middle Eastern animal pack since i also want other african ungulates like the greater kudu or the impala. I also prefer the secretary bird over the shoebill and i would love a grey crowned crane, but the shoebill is such a cool animal i wouldn't be mad if they choose that one. Instead of the elpehant i would prefer a black rhino. The baboon would be cool but i would like more arboreal monkeys like a colobus. The porcupine seems to be a very requested animal by the community but i would rather get a small carnivore, either a serval, ratel or jackal.
Either way, any animal pack for africa will be welcome
I've already posted my wishlist for said packs in other topics. I agree with the leopard and the nile croc and we really need a dromedary camel but i would prefer if it is part of a Desert or Middle Eastern animal pack since i also want other african ungulates like the greater kudu or the impala. I also prefer the secretary bird over the shoebill and i would love a grey crowned crane, but the shoebill is such a cool animal i wouldn't be mad if they choose that one. Instead of the elpehant i would prefer a black rhino. The baboon would be cool but i would like more arboreal monkeys like a colobus. The porcupine seems to be a very requested animal by the community but i would rather get a small carnivore, either a serval, ratel or jackal.
Either way, any animal pack for africa will be welcome
I'd love this EXCEPT the elephant. While more diversity is always cool (and I'm excited to see others so hype about any animal, even if I don't personally want something as much) I think many fans would be dissapointed by the Forest Elephant, which would functionally be paying a dollar and change for an exact reskin of the existing African elephant, with different biomes.
You act like there isn't support for a third tiger or a second lion. And at least forest elephants get the argument of being potentially an entirely different genus (either Palaeoloxodon or its own genus entirely).
And once you see them compared enough, you can easily catch onto their physical differences too
(for the skull pics, the bush species is on the left while the forest species is on the right)
That's true, that's true (though I wouldn't argue for another tiger, personally-- at least not in a paid DLC). Even so, I think many people wouldn't support it or at least be a bit disappointed; while there are physical differences, they are very minor, even compared to the different coats of the tigers (and I hate to say it, but I can't imagine different models for different elephants but not for different tapirs). It also represents the same continent and same behaviors; other than biome I fail to see what uniqueness it would bring to the table, and I'll be honest, for many people the physical differences aren't very apparent, at least at a cursory glance. Plus, according to sources I found with a quick search, they're only found in a handful of zoos, several of which are within their native range. WITH ALL THIS SAID, I'm not anti-forest elephant. My goal is to provide insight as to why people might not care for it (and why I wouldn't want it to be included in an animal pack rather than a more unique species like a ratel or red river hog). It would be a wonderful anniversary animal, though.You act like there isn't support for a third tiger or a second lion. And at least forest elephants get the argument of being potentially an entirely different genus (either Palaeoloxodon or its own genus entirely).
And once you see them compared enough, you can easily catch onto their physical differences too
(for the skull pics, the bush species is on the left while the forest species is on the right)
Doubling down on the ABC species we already have (more lions, tigers, elephants) feels like a waste. Where Planet Zoo is lacking isn't with those, but with the kinds of small to mid-sized animals that are ubiquitous in both world-class zoos and smaller institutions, particularly ground birds, tortoises, and smaller herbivores. Africa offers a ton of those, like the helmeted guineafowl and sulcata tortoise.
That being said I don't necessarily expect Frontier to go back and make animal packs for all of them (the likeliest candidates would be South America and Australia).
That being said I don't necessarily expect Frontier to go back and make animal packs for all of them (the likeliest candidates would be South America and Australia).
I don't think we need that many tortoises though. May a bolson tortoise would be nice, since we have an African one and a South American one. Otherwise I agree. We need more marsupials, more rodents, more birds etc.
Purely on zoo common-ness I'd like a red-footed tortoise (even if it would be on the small side for a habitat animal) and either a sulcata, radiated, or leopard tortoise for Africa. But I agree that it's not the number one priority.
When it comes to "clone" animals there's never going to be a consensus on what should/shouldn't be included, because it's based purely on personal wants and needs. For example the forest elephant is extremely low on my list of 'wants' whereas the Sumatran tiger, which is even less unique by virtue of even having the same biome as the Bengal tiger, is extremely high on the list for me ("zoo common-ness" as Antimony puts it being the primary consideration for both, but Sumatran tigers are also close to my heart for personal reasons).
As for animal packs based on the existing scenery packs, I'm all for it, but I don't see it as likely. I also think the Arctic Pack is especially difficult to do without using a lot of 'same-y' animals (even if you expand it into a 'Polar Pack' you're left with multiple penguins and multiple pinnipeds, which, let's be honest, isn't going to happen), or you have to use animals which exist in the Arctic but aren't really 'zoo' animals like rabbits and hares.
Africa should have been an animal pack to begin with, and the scenery assets used for a Middle East Pack instead. That's my take at least.
As for animal packs based on the existing scenery packs, I'm all for it, but I don't see it as likely. I also think the Arctic Pack is especially difficult to do without using a lot of 'same-y' animals (even if you expand it into a 'Polar Pack' you're left with multiple penguins and multiple pinnipeds, which, let's be honest, isn't going to happen), or you have to use animals which exist in the Arctic but aren't really 'zoo' animals like rabbits and hares.
Africa should have been an animal pack to begin with, and the scenery assets used for a Middle East Pack instead. That's my take at least.
I agree, there should be room for at least one more tortoise, but I would gladly take more. And those you mentioned are good examples.
While the two we have aren't closely related, they appear very similar and basically, fill the same role; Giant tropical island tortoises. I wouldn't even say they represent their continents very well. Just like a lemur doesn't represent a basic African primate very well.
We could use some variation, especially some species from other biome types or which appear different in look.
While I wouldn't call every tortoise a clone, I imagine most of them could use close to the same rig.
Because of that I also believe some rather small tortoises should be possible in a habitat, we at least know the size of the juveniles of the current species function.
That could be interesting to see. But I'm afraid a tortoise is a tortoise for many people, and maybe also for Frontier.
I'd absolutely love to have the Red footed Tortoise in the Game. Would be so nice to have a few of them free roaming in a Tropical House. I'd also absolutely love the African spurred Tortoise. We also need some semiaquatic Turtles that aren't limited to Exhibits
Reading your comments, I agree a lot with your feedback.
The African forest elephant would certainly fit much better as an anniversary animal. And yes, the black rhino is the only big hervibore that I think we all agree that isn't in the game yet so it would be an awesome replacement instead of the elephant (In my case, It reminds me of Zoo Tycoon as it was the main rhino XD)
Then, personally I don't care about ungulates. Well, at least not about "plain" ungulates, I want uniqueness like mouse deer or saiga antelpes.
Finally, which animals DLCs include highly depends on the DLC list as a whole, because it's true that if there's a "Middle-East pack" the camel could be easily moved to it. I simply thought this pack in isolation
The African forest elephant would certainly fit much better as an anniversary animal. And yes, the black rhino is the only big hervibore that I think we all agree that isn't in the game yet so it would be an awesome replacement instead of the elephant (In my case, It reminds me of Zoo Tycoon as it was the main rhino XD)
Then, personally I don't care about ungulates. Well, at least not about "plain" ungulates, I want uniqueness like mouse deer or saiga antelpes.
Finally, which animals DLCs include highly depends on the DLC list as a whole, because it's true that if there's a "Middle-East pack" the camel could be easily moved to it. I simply thought this pack in isolation
I think we need 3 animal packs for Africa
Hi everyone.
Personally I'm very eager to see more African animals in the game. PZ has a lot of them already, but there's some very iconic and interesting ones that are missing, which I'd really like to see included in the game. So here's my own wishlist for a potential African Safari Animal Pack.
Habitat animals:
African Leopard
Nile Crocodile
Black Rhinoceros
Blue Wildebeest
Impala
Greater Kudu
Helmeted Guineafowl
Exhibit animal:
Black Mamba
Personally, I think this animal list is good because it just focuses on one general region (southern and eastern Africa) and it would give us a good variety of different exciting and interesting animals. The African Leopard would round out the big cat selection of the game quite nicely, and it's also the last member of Africa's Big Five that hasn't been added to the game yet. The Nile Crocodile would add to the game's crocodilian selection quite well, as it is one of the most iconic crocodilians. The Black Rhinoceros would be a great addition from a conservation-focused perspective. The Blue Wildebeest is a very iconic animal of the African savanna, and would be great for multi-species African habitats. The Impala and Greater Kudu would be good additions because they could possibly have an inter-species enrichment with one another, and they're also very iconic African antelopes in general. The Helmeted Guinea Fowl would be a great addition to the game's selection of birds. Finally, the Black Mamba would be a very iconic addition to the game's selection of exhibit animals.
Personally I'm very eager to see more African animals in the game. PZ has a lot of them already, but there's some very iconic and interesting ones that are missing, which I'd really like to see included in the game. So here's my own wishlist for a potential African Safari Animal Pack.
Habitat animals:
African Leopard
Nile Crocodile
Black Rhinoceros
Blue Wildebeest
Impala
Greater Kudu
Helmeted Guineafowl
Exhibit animal:
Black Mamba
Personally, I think this animal list is good because it just focuses on one general region (southern and eastern Africa) and it would give us a good variety of different exciting and interesting animals. The African Leopard would round out the big cat selection of the game quite nicely, and it's also the last member of Africa's Big Five that hasn't been added to the game yet. The Nile Crocodile would add to the game's crocodilian selection quite well, as it is one of the most iconic crocodilians. The Black Rhinoceros would be a great addition from a conservation-focused perspective. The Blue Wildebeest is a very iconic animal of the African savanna, and would be great for multi-species African habitats. The Impala and Greater Kudu would be good additions because they could possibly have an inter-species enrichment with one another, and they're also very iconic African antelopes in general. The Helmeted Guinea Fowl would be a great addition to the game's selection of birds. Finally, the Black Mamba would be a very iconic addition to the game's selection of exhibit animals.
Every scenery pack getting an animal pack? Don't know if that's gonna happen, but it's a nice thought experiment.
Arctic scenery pack -> Cold weather animal pack
Three penguin species, because why not. People love penguins, and together with the king penguin and African penguin people could make their own penguin sanctuary if they wanted to. And that's right, no exhibit species because the arctic pack had none either and I honestly struggle to think of any potential exhibit species.
South America scenery pack -> South America animal pack
I think these species speak for themselves. I opted out of the spectacled bear and went with two monkeys instead, because we already have lots of bears and not nearly enough monkeys. While the howler monkey is widely requested, I think the spider monkey will definitely win people's hearts with their silly antics.
Australia scenery pack -> Oceania animal pack
Most of these picks are universally requested. I left out the echidna because I think it's really small and I already chose the kiwi and tuatara to represent New Zealand. Instead, I went with the crab to represent the many small east Oceanian islands. Plus coconut crabs are colorful and huge!
Aquatic scenery pack -> Wetlands animal pack
So this one doesn't need an additional pack.
Africa scenery pack -> Africa animal pack
These picks also speak for themselves. Our first chameleon (finally), the black rhino that we already got in game props for. The porcupine, a baboon, a smaller monkey such as the vervet or De Brazzas or Diana etc. Madagascar's predator, the fossa. A giant antelope species (kudu), and a ground bird.
Europe scenery pack -> Europe animal pack
I would love love love this pack, but other people might think yikes, that's a lot of same-y animals we already have. For the European roster, this selection would be amazing though. The red deer is an obvious inclusion, as we already have red deer props in game. The red fox and white stork are popular, the wild boar is an icon. The wisent is the largest European animal and an important conservation success. The mouflon and marten or polecat are obscure, but pretty and interesting picks. I would have gone with a hare, but I already picked one for the Cold weather pack above. A squirrel was also on my mind, but I'd reserve the squirrel for a potential future India pack (the colorful malabar giant squirrel).
Arctic scenery pack -> Cold weather animal pack
- Musk ox
- Wolverine
- Walrus
- Leopard seal
- Arctic hare
- Rockhopper penguin
- Adelie penguin
- Gentoo penguin
Three penguin species, because why not. People love penguins, and together with the king penguin and African penguin people could make their own penguin sanctuary if they wanted to. And that's right, no exhibit species because the arctic pack had none either and I honestly struggle to think of any potential exhibit species.
South America scenery pack -> South America animal pack
- Maned wolf
- Any coati
- Patagonian mara
- Any howler monkey
- Any spider monkey
- Collared peccary
- Any armadillo
- A colorful snake species
I think these species speak for themselves. I opted out of the spectacled bear and went with two monkeys instead, because we already have lots of bears and not nearly enough monkeys. While the howler monkey is widely requested, I think the spider monkey will definitely win people's hearts with their silly antics.
Australia scenery pack -> Oceania animal pack
- Goodfellows / Matchies's tree kangaroo
- Any wallaby
- Tasmanian devil
- Kiwi
- Emu
- Wombat
- Giant coconut crab
- Tuatara
Most of these picks are universally requested. I left out the echidna because I think it's really small and I already chose the kiwi and tuatara to represent New Zealand. Instead, I went with the crab to represent the many small east Oceanian islands. Plus coconut crabs are colorful and huge!
Aquatic scenery pack -> Wetlands animal pack
So this one doesn't need an additional pack.
Africa scenery pack -> Africa animal pack
- Black rhinoceros
- African crested porcupine
- Secretary bird / grey crowned crane
- Greater kudu
- Any baboon
- Fossa
- Any smaller African monkey
- Any chameleon
These picks also speak for themselves. Our first chameleon (finally), the black rhino that we already got in game props for. The porcupine, a baboon, a smaller monkey such as the vervet or De Brazzas or Diana etc. Madagascar's predator, the fossa. A giant antelope species (kudu), and a ground bird.
Europe scenery pack -> Europe animal pack
- Red deer
- Red fox
- Wild boar
- Mouflon
- Wisent
- White stork
- European pine marten / European polecat
- An adder or green lizard
I would love love love this pack, but other people might think yikes, that's a lot of same-y animals we already have. For the European roster, this selection would be amazing though. The red deer is an obvious inclusion, as we already have red deer props in game. The red fox and white stork are popular, the wild boar is an icon. The wisent is the largest European animal and an important conservation success. The mouflon and marten or polecat are obscure, but pretty and interesting picks. I would have gone with a hare, but I already picked one for the Cold weather pack above. A squirrel was also on my mind, but I'd reserve the squirrel for a potential future India pack (the colorful malabar giant squirrel).
Trust me sir, 453 holdings is nothing close to obscure.
I would guess you dont see our dear moufflons in american zoos but really, they are anything but in Europe.
This thing is insanly common and the 25 most common Animal in EAZA zoos.
If there should be another animal pack touching Europe, these guys are a must
I would guess you dont see our dear moufflons in american zoos but really, they are anything but in Europe.
This thing is insanly common and the 25 most common Animal in EAZA zoos.
If there should be another animal pack touching Europe, these guys are a must
I'm a miss
and I said obscure because I hardly read anyone on the forums mention them at all 
I'd love mouflons in game! They'd be a great temperate sheep pick.Echidna are bigger than platypus and meerkats, and also not from New Zealand.
Wow, got that completely wrongEchidna are bigger than platypus and meerkats, and also not from New Zealand.
But I'd still keep the lineup as is.If we're posting lists;
Polar Animal Pack
1. Wolverine.
2. Muskox.
3. Gentoo penguin.
4. Walrus.
5. Snow goose.
6. Arctic hare.
7. Leopard seal.
Two pinnipeds, so not a likely pack at all.
South America Animal Pack
1. Bolivian squirrel monkey.
2. Southern pudu.
3. Spectacled bear.
4. Maned wolf.
5. Nine-banded armadillo.
6. South American coati.
7. Red-rumped agouti.
8. Emerald tree boa.
The pudu isn't exactly a wishlist animal, and the mara ranks higher than the agouti, but this is my list so poo on all of you.
Oceania Animal Pack
1. Bennett's wallaby.
2. Tasmanian devil.
3. Emu.
4. Little blue penguin.
5. North Island brown kiwi.
6. Common wombat.
7. Goodfellow's tree kangaroo.
8. Tuatara.
Nothing particularly new here.
Aquatic Animal Pack
1. Great white pelican.
2. Southern rockhopper penguin.
3. Southern elephant seal.
4. Sea otter.
5. Cuban crocodile.
6. King eider.
7. Atlantic puffin.
8. Japanese fire-bellied newt.
A good few birds here. The puffin would almost certainly be an aviary bird in a realistic world but I like them enough that I'd accept them without it (give me some triangular mesh pieces and it's a no-brainer).
Africa Animal Pack
1. Hamadryas baboon.
2. Serval.
3. Red river hog.
4. Helmeted guineafowl.
5. Addax.
6. Crested porcupine.
7. Leopard tortoise.
8. Giant African millipede.
For an Africa Pack I'd actually prefer the Diana monkey to the baboon, but I think the baboon is more urgently needed.
Europe Animal Pack
1. Red fox.
2. Mute swan.
3. Eurasian brown bear.
4. European pine marten.
5. Scottish wildcat.
6. European red deer.
7. Chamois.
8. Scheltopusik.
The bear would likely be unpopular (possibly the fox, too) but oh well, it's what I want.
Polar Animal Pack
1. Wolverine.
2. Muskox.
3. Gentoo penguin.
4. Walrus.
5. Snow goose.
6. Arctic hare.
7. Leopard seal.
Two pinnipeds, so not a likely pack at all.
South America Animal Pack
1. Bolivian squirrel monkey.
2. Southern pudu.
3. Spectacled bear.
4. Maned wolf.
5. Nine-banded armadillo.
6. South American coati.
7. Red-rumped agouti.
8. Emerald tree boa.
The pudu isn't exactly a wishlist animal, and the mara ranks higher than the agouti, but this is my list so poo on all of you.
Oceania Animal Pack
1. Bennett's wallaby.
2. Tasmanian devil.
3. Emu.
4. Little blue penguin.
5. North Island brown kiwi.
6. Common wombat.
7. Goodfellow's tree kangaroo.
8. Tuatara.
Nothing particularly new here.
Aquatic Animal Pack
1. Great white pelican.
2. Southern rockhopper penguin.
3. Southern elephant seal.
4. Sea otter.
5. Cuban crocodile.
6. King eider.
7. Atlantic puffin.
8. Japanese fire-bellied newt.
A good few birds here. The puffin would almost certainly be an aviary bird in a realistic world but I like them enough that I'd accept them without it (give me some triangular mesh pieces and it's a no-brainer).
Africa Animal Pack
1. Hamadryas baboon.
2. Serval.
3. Red river hog.
4. Helmeted guineafowl.
5. Addax.
6. Crested porcupine.
7. Leopard tortoise.
8. Giant African millipede.
For an Africa Pack I'd actually prefer the Diana monkey to the baboon, but I think the baboon is more urgently needed.
Europe Animal Pack
1. Red fox.
2. Mute swan.
3. Eurasian brown bear.
4. European pine marten.
5. Scottish wildcat.
6. European red deer.
7. Chamois.
8. Scheltopusik.
The bear would likely be unpopular (possibly the fox, too) but oh well, it's what I want.