I think I have to share this finding with you

[mr_fan1978]

I'm a big exploration player, I found Thirgoid's sensor zero Oephaird JM-W d1-1631 on the planet Oephaird JM-W d1-1631 in the deep space of the Milky Way galaxy, which is 17,277 light-years away from civilization, on June 18, 2021 3 also has Thargoid's sensor discovery on it, which is the furthest alien part I have found outside the civilized zone, I wonder where the ancient war between Thargoid and the Guardian took place hundreds of thousands of years ago! Is the Guardian really completely extinct? Did they find a space-time gateway somewhere in the galaxy to the Andromeda galaxy beyond the Milky Way?

 

[Shadowsnog]

do we drink?

 

[varonica]

do we drink?

Already did, this made it a double!

 

[Nowski]

Already did, this made it a double!

Let's roll out the barrel. This one's on me:

 

[JetsonRING]

I'm a big exploration player, I found Thirgoid's sensor zero Oephaird JM-W d1-1631 on the planet Oephaird JM-W d1-1631 in the deep space of the Milky Way galaxy, which is 17,277 light-years away from civilization, on June 18, 2021 3 also has Thargoid's sensor discovery on it, which is the furthest alien part I have found outside the civilized zone, I wonder where the ancient war between Thargoid and the Guardian took place hundreds of thousands of years ago! Is the Guardian really completely extinct? Did they find a space-time gateway somewhere in the galaxy to the Andromeda galaxy beyond the Milky Way?

Elite: Return (of the Guardians)

 

[Greasetrap42]

I found Thirgoid's sensor zero Oephaird JM-W d1-1631 on the planet Oephaird JM-W d1-1631 in the deep space of the Milky Way galaxy, which is 17,277 light-years away from civilization... I wonder where the ancient war between Thargoid and the Guardian took place hundreds of thousands of years ago! Is the Guardian really completely extinct?

You will notice these interesting facts about the Thargoid sensors you can find on the other side of the galaxy:

• They are still powered.
• They are always very clean. They don't have dirt or residue on them, even the ones surrounded by meteor impact craters. This suggests the sensors are not left over from the Guardian war a couple million years ago.
• They can be found in EVERY system with Gas Giant w/ Ammonia Based Life and a landable planet. They spawn with probability per planet, so more planets easier to find. But if there is only one planet and you relog enough you will eventually find one.
• They have the ability to move around! They wait until nobody is watching.... then zoooom! They move to another location in the system. (they spawn randomly in systems so if you relog they can be in different locations.)

This also means the Thargoids have a miraculous method of locating every single Gas Giant w/Ammonia based life across the galaxy and placing sensors there. Or maybe they seeded the gas giants with Ammonia based life.

 

[aRJay]

Or that the Thargoids have been around long enough to visit every system in the galaxy.

 

[Nowski]

You will notice these interesting facts about the Thargoid sensors you can find on the other side of the galaxy:

• They are still powered.
• They are always very clean. They don't have dirt or residue on them, even the ones surrounded by meteor impact craters. This suggests the sensors are not left over from the Guardian war a couple million years ago.
• They can be found in EVERY system with Gas Giant w/ Ammonia Based Life and a landable planet. They spawn with probability per planet, so more planets easier to find. But if there is only one planet and you relog enough you will eventually find one.
• They have the ability to move around! They wait until nobody is watching.... then zoooom! They move to another location in the system. (they spawn randomly in systems so if you relog they can be in different locations.)

Add:

• They have mysterious powers of levitation

 

[Greasetrap42]

Or that the Thargoids have been around long enough to visit every system in the galaxy.

Yes, and they have a regular sensor replacement program. Whenever one runs low on power or gets dirty it gets replaced with a new one.

 

[HRDiagram]

Yes, and they have a regular sensor replacement program. Whenever one runs low on power or gets dirty it gets replaced with a new one.

For quite some time, after the release of Odyssey, it looked like humans had heen even more thorough in their exploration, but not efficient, since every* landable planet in the galaxy had 3-6 crash sites.
Forget about having been everywhere, there were enough resources (and lives) to crash multiple ships on trillions of planets.

*Of course, I didn't check every planet in the galaxy but I was in the black (>10k ly from civilisation) and when I noticed that suddenly every landable planet I mapped had human POIs, I started mapping all landable bodies on my journey, only to find out that the procedural generation was consistent. Basically, if it was landable, there were going to be POIs, the quantity based on the size of the planet.
This was thankfully fixed in one of the early updates.
Edit: Whether that's related or not, I found my first Thargoid sensor the day after that fix went live.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Or that the Thargoids have been around long enough to visit every system in the galaxy.

We know that - we first met the current lot over eight years ago.

The current war has recorded at least 15 million Thargoid ship kills (likely considerably more not recorded via third party tools, of course). If, before the war, just those ships were on a scouting program, and even if their long-term hyperspace and travel capabilities are no better than human, that's still enough to visit 21.6 billion systems a day with a coordinated search - or the entire galaxy in a month, even allowing that they'd probably need to spend a little longer in the systems they're actually dropping sensors off in.

Having found out which systems have planets of interest a much smaller fleet could then regularly retrieve data and refresh damaged sensors.

 

[Greasetrap42]

The current war has recorded at least 15 million Thargoid ship kills (likely considerably more not recorded via third party tools, of course). If, before the war, just those ships were on a scouting program...

The millions of Thargoid scout mapping ships must have invisibility cloaks, as not a single one has ever been spotted.

Aha! They have a method of determining if anybody is in a system before dropping in. That's how they can move the sensors around without anybody ever seeing them. They are very careless though, because they almost always leave the sensor with fragments broken off.

 

[Nowski]

Aha! They have a method of determining if anybody is in a system before dropping in. That's how they can move the sensors around without anybody ever seeing them.

A little "sufficiently advanced technology" could also explain their seeming ubiquity. They could achieve the observed galactic presence with a fraction of the resources if able to predict ahead of time exactly which 0.07% of the galaxy humanity will explore.

 

[aRJay]

The millions of Thargoid scout mapping ships must have invisibility cloaks, as not a single one has ever been spotted.

Aha! They have a method of determining if anybody is in a system before dropping in. That's how they can move the sensors around without anybody ever seeing them. They are very careless though, because they almost always leave the sensor with fragments broken off.

Not sure they needed invisibility, was there anyone in space before the Guardians got there to actually see them do the original mapping if the galaxy.
In the millions of years since then they won’t have needed such large numbers of ships to perform check.

But their 50,000 year project could have finished by our 22nd century and we would have noticed nothing.

 

[Greasetrap42]

Not sure they needed invisibility, was there anyone in space before the Guardians got there to actually see them do the original mapping if the galaxy.

If the sensors were dropped into the systems millions of years ago how come they are powered, shiny and clean? And how do they get regularly moved around without being noticed by anybody? Especially the systems in or near the bubble?

(yes I realize its just oversimplified game mechanics)

 

[aRJay]

If the sensors were dropped into the systems millions of years ago how come they are powered, shiny and clean? And how do they get regularly moved around without being noticed by anybody? Especially the systems in or near the bubble?

(yes I realize its just oversimplified game mechanics)

Perhaps the sensors are much more active when there is nothing within their detection range, they just shutdown most of their capabilities when aliens are about.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

The millions of Thargoid scout mapping ships must have invisibility cloaks, as not a single one has ever been spotted.

That's not unreasonable:
- they spend just a couple of minutes in each system in this model, so the chance of overlapping at all with a human explorer is basically nil
- Thargoids don't normally use supercruise for in-system flight so wouldn't be obvious even if they were in the system at the same time
- virtually no explorers routinely check the signal source part of the FSS band just to make sure they aren't all "degraded threat 0" this time, so even if there was a Thargoid lurking in the system as a NHSS they probably wouldn't notice it
- obviously without that check the chance of coincidentally being in normal-space visual range is also near zero for two ships in the same system no matter how long they both spend there
- in the really unlikely event of a meeting between the two the Thargoids can ensure secrecy if they want to


That said, there are at least two recorded (probable or confirmed) meetings between Thargoids and deep space trips, and a few more possible:
- probable: logs found at https://canonn.science/codex/conflux-beta-site/
- confirmed: recent Galnet report https://elite.drinkybird.net/?guid=64d34db733102b3f330c545d (though probably they wanted to be seen, that time)


We have no useful information on the service lifetime of a Thargoid sensor, but multiple decades as a minimum certainly doesn't seem unreasonable based on similar human technology. If we say a 50 year refresh cycle then the chance of overlap is about 1 in 5-10 million per eligible system visited; about 7% of systems contain AWs or AGGs, so the chance of overlap on any individual deep space jump for someone not specifically looking for these is well over 1 in 100 million.

Based on the DW2 metric (DW2 had roughly half of all deep space exploration activity while in progress) there are about 15-45 million deep space hyperjumps a year, so you'd maybe get one overlap (in system at same time as a Thargoid explorer) every five years, which then has a bunch of extra conditions to actually be noticed and reported. I'm fine with Frontier simplifying and rounding the odds down to "actually zero", based on that.

 

[Greasetrap42]

Perhaps the sensors are much more active when there is nothing within their detection range, they just shutdown most of their capabilities when aliens are about.

Yes! They are playing possum. And cmdrs are picking up sensors, fragments, and tons of other crap that we don't really understand and bringing it all back to human space! And we are adding alien tech to our ships (and maybe other aspects of human life too). The current Thargoid war is a distraction and a ruse to get us to collect more alien tech that we don't really understand and incorporate it into our daily lives. The real invasion is about to begin! Or maybe it already has and we just haven't realized it yet.

Edit:
The possum idea is very excellent. It nicely explains:

• Why they still have power.
• Why they are clean and look like they were recently placed.
• Why their fragments look recently dropped or broken off.
• How they can relocate themselves within the system when nobody is looking.

 

[Frankymole]

Or it could just be a bug?

 

[nemolomen]

Shrodingoid's Sensor?