IC RANT Imperial Slavery is still Slavery

[Chrisfs]

Found post on a bulletin board between the various jobs and the used parts for sale list. A rant with a likely fake name and a throwaway address.

Imperial slavers often say that Imperial slavery isn't actually slavery, it's paying off a debt. It's the lie they use to make money from other people's debt fueled misery.

Imperial slavery is slavery with a fake smiley face.
People who gets into debt trouble they can't pay back are told "hey become an Imperial slave and work off your debt", what they aren't told is that this is just the first turn around a bitter cycle of slavery and debt.

Imperial slaves aren't paid much at all. Often times, it's just a little food and an air mattress on the floor and that's it. If you had to buy a slave and then pay them, you would just hire someone normally and just pay them. That's why people buy Imperial slaves because they work for next to nothing.

Then at the end of a year or seven years (no one is a slave for a week), where you aren't paid much if anything, so you can't save anything, you're 'released', sure your debt is paid, but you have no job and often no home. You can't rent a place because you have no job, no credit, you can't get a job because your recent job history was being a slave
if you had a rielative or friend who could help you out or hire you, you probably wouldn't have been a slave to start with. So you either get extremely lucky (win the lottery?) , or you run up debt again paying for food,rent etc(if someone will loan you money) and SURPRISE!!! you have to be slave again to pay it off and the whole cycle starts all over again.

That's the ugly truth about Imperial slavery that slavers don't want to talk about. Once you become a debt slave, it's very hard to get out.
I hear that the loan sharks who loan money to newly 'released' slaves at exorbitant rates are often a front for slavers themselves and when the poor ex-slave can't meet the high payments, they offer slavery as a way out again. Slavers can sell the same person many times over.

Imperial Slavery is Slavery, except it's worse. It's slavery with a lie that it's not. Slavery, Imperial or otherwise is wrong and treats humans like commodities with no more rights than a ton of biowaste. It needs to stop.

 

[Jaiotu]

IC:
The truth is that slavery is a problem in every corner of the galaxy. I am forming the Sojourner Society to put a stop to the evil of treating humanity as little more then a commodity.
Slavery is the social norm in the Empire, rampant in the Alliance and often tolerated in the Federation. The independent worlds? Anyone's guess.
Don't believe that slavery is tolerated in the borders of the Federation? Visit Ordway Settlement in the Gandvik system. They buy them in the open on the Commodities Market.
My goal with the Sojourner Society is to enlist members regardless of factional alliance in the struggle to break the chains of oppression. The next time there is a slave revolt we'll see it succeed! Whenever we can take a job from the Bulletin Board to free slaves... we take it! We make a difference.
Our goals:
1. Petition Federal Congress to once and for all declare slavery illegal on every Federation world no matter how far out on the edge of inhabited space they may be. If they can put so much effort into harassing innocent farmers on Panem they can and should be motivated to end slavery in the Federation.
2. Support Aisling Duval's efforts in the Empire to end slavery.
3. Harass slave traders in the Alliance and liberate as many Alliance slaves as we can by by bringing them out the Alliance and to Federation worlds willing to integrate them into the workforce.

OOC:
I'd like to see Frontier Development establish at least one station if not several where CMDRs can bring slaves with the guarantee that they'll be able to liberate them.
There should be some mechanic to get the Federation to adopt a firm anti-slavery platform.

 

[Crazy-Good]

Would either of you be interested in recording your opinions? We're always looking for stuff for Radio Sidewinder and this would be great to have an op-ed on this very subject.

If you're interested, let me know.

 

[Negative Entropy]

Whenever we can take a job from the Bulletin Board to free slaves... we take it! We make a difference.

May I point out that you are deluding yourselves if you think these missions help the cause against slavery. Most commanders complete them by finding a market where they buy slaves to bring to the mission issuer. This does only increase the demand for slaves and fill the coffers of the slavers.

In addition I have never seen any of these slaves actually beeing freed. It would not surprise me if these missions are organised by the slavers themselves.

No, the only way to combat slavery is to undermine their value as a practical commodity by attacking slavers where ever you see them. If their cargo perishes as colateral damage, so be it.

 

[CMDR_Zalguam]

Proud Empire Citizen

Found post on a bulletin board between the various jobs and the used parts for sale list. A rant with a likely fake name and a throwaway address.

Imperial slavers often say that Imperial slavery isn't actually slavery, it's paying off a debt. It's the lie they use to make money from other people's debt fueled misery.

Imperial slavery is slavery with a fake smiley face.
People who gets into debt trouble they can't pay back are told "hey become an Imperial slave and work off your debt", what they aren't told is that this is just the first turn around a bitter cycle of slavery and debt.

Imperial slaves aren't paid much at all. Often times, it's just a little food and an air mattress on the floor and that's it. If you had to buy a slave and then pay them, you would just hire someone normally and just pay them. That's why people buy Imperial slaves because they work for next to nothing.

Then at the end of a year or seven years (no one is a slave for a week), where you aren't paid much if anything, so you can't save anything, you're 'released', sure your debt is paid, but you have no job and often no home. You can't rent a place because you have no job, no credit, you can't get a job because your recent job history was being a slave
if you had a rielative or friend who could help you out or hire you, you probably wouldn't have been a slave to start with. So you either get extremely lucky (win the lottery?) , or you run up debt again paying for food,rent etc(if someone will loan you money) and SURPRISE!!! you have to be slave again to pay it off and the whole cycle starts all over again.

That's the ugly truth about Imperial slavery that slavers don't want to talk about. Once you become a debt slave, it's very hard to get out.
I hear that the loan sharks who loan money to newly 'released' slaves at exorbitant rates are often a front for slavers themselves and when the poor ex-slave can't meet the high payments, they offer slavery as a way out again. Slavers can sell the same person many times over.

Imperial Slavery is Slavery, except it's worse. It's slavery with a lie that it's not. Slavery, Imperial or otherwise is wrong and treats humans like commodities with no more rights than a ton of biowaste. It needs to stop.

I see myself trading Imperial Slaves from time to time.
These people want to be a citizen of the Empire. There is a reason the Empire is what it is to this day.
If these people were just allowed to stay in the empire the cities would become less attractive and become filthy.
As a result, certain business tycoons will see this as the Empire is weakening and wont be so eager to make new business contracts thus even further reducing our economy.
We all worked hard to get to where we are now. I am giving these people the transport they need so they can work and earn some money to pay of their debts and become respected members of society once again.
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At a certain point you say once they pay of their debts they have practically nothing and are almost certain to get into debt again thus following slavery. I say this is not true.
They always have the option to go to the Military. They will get trained there, they will be paid, they will be offered a place to stay, basically they will be given their basic needs of supply. You always have the option later on to get out and start on their own initiative.
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I say we keep Imperial Slavery.
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We are the Empire. We must stay strong.

 

[Kopachris]

It's actually closer to indentured servitude than slavery. No, we don't pay our slaves wages. That's because we've already written off their monetary debt in exchange for the labor. What you say about "a little food and an air mattress" is an exaggeration. Sure, some Imperial slaves are treated that way, but most of us treat our slaves fairly well. Three square meals a day, their own bed (probably a shared room, but separate beds). We keep them well-fed and well-groomed - our slaves are just as important to us as a status symbol as the work is to them as a way to pay off their debts. As part of a standard contract, slaves will usually have an option to continue employment for regular (fair) wages at the end of their indenturement so they have some money saved up to restart their life. Or, as the honorable CMDR Zalguam mentioned, they may join either the Imperial Navy or some system faction's own military.

 

[streki]

Slavemeat = Profit.
Hail to the Emperor!




I do apologise - My commander is pretty much morally vacant.

I have spoken to him about his attitude, but its like talking to a brick wall really.

Tsk - Empire types *rolls eyes*

 

[Aurelius Valerius]

" There is a reason the Empire is what it is to this day."




((IC))


We must never forget, how our insitution of slavery came to pass and where it's roots hail from. At the beginning our Empire was nothing more but a loose bond of Colonies dominated by a Federation that was percieved as the mightiest force in the known universe. Yet it had lost it's way and appeal, rising inequality and interventionalism from Sol forcing our young Empire to stand up against the Federation agressors. To overcome such a overwhelming foe, it needed the entirety of Imperial might and society, each member doing his or her part to ensure the ongoing survival of the Empire.


Slavery was one of the purest manifestations of this struggle for survival. A foe so numerous, with an economy and military might so much greater than our fledgling empire could only be overcome by putting every member of society to work one way or the other. I will not bore you with records of how this has been undertaken, but as everyone of you surely remembers from your time in Imperial Education centers, against all odds and anticipations, our Empire suceeded and repelled the Federation agressors, starting the prestigious history of our glorious Empire which stands as a bulwark against Federal semi civilization to this day and slavery certainly has been one of the key segments of that victory.


Things have not changed too greatly over the last millenium. Our Empire's might have grown significantly, but it is still confronted by the Federation as it stands today. While the continuing survival of the Empire is nigh secured by the foresight of the Emperor, the Empire still has a monumental task ahead. The reunification of all of Humankind under the Empire and the reconnection to our ancient homelands in the Sol system.
Would you want to weaken the Empire by abolishing one of our most ancient and most productive institutions while such a grandious task still lies ahead?


Of course Slavery is not only a mere tool for Imperial ambition.


Over the course of human history, societies always have been looking for ways to make way for equality in their own communities. Equality of classes, equality of chances and so forth. This struggle... some called it class struggle had spawned many various political alliegances and motivations over the millenia of human history, and I shan't list them all, for the number of streams is too great, but what it all comes down to, is disunity, social unrest and degeneration and inevitable struggle.
Of course the notion of total equality of all citizens might seem outlandish to the loyal Imperial reader. Equal to the Emperor? Alternative to the Imperial class system? Inconcievable. However, one of those sources of struggle... the inequality of chances played a great role in our struggle against the Federation and how slavery came to pass.


As many of you might know, in the Federation you might easily end up on the bottom of the social ladder and once you are there, chances are that you will never rise again. The banks and the jobmarket based on many factors will keep you from rising once more. Remember that unrest gains magnitude, if those at the bottom of society are devoid of other options.
The Empire gives those unfortunate souls which have landed on that bottom of the ladder, an easy and human way to regain their position in society once more.
While a citizen of the federation might perhaps resort to rebellious acts or might just drug himself as to bear his great dishonor and shame, a citizen of the Empire has the chance to enter Imperial society once more as a productive member by handing him or herself over to the Imperial institution of slavery.


Once the slaves term is up, many new career paths open up once more, but I will not need to remind you, that our Slaves are being treated as what they are, even while being in that situation. Imperial loyal citizens with rights.


In the end, Slavery is not only beneficial to the Empire, but also beneficial to every loyal citizen.




Hail to the Emperor! Bask in his glory!


-Cmdr Aurelius Valerius-




((OOC))
Sorry for the long read. My Commander is quite the loyal Imperial. >=P

 

[Negative Entropy]

a massive wall of pale grey text on white background.

I am pretty sure I am using defaults for this forum.

So it looks to me (please correct me if I am wrong) like some people deliberately choose to color their text in a color that will only be readable if you change your background color. Typical for a slaver, I guess.


Edit: thank you for changing the colour.

 

[Aurelius Valerius]

I am pretty sure I am using defaults for this forum.

So it looks to me (please correct me if I am wrong) like some people deliberately choose to color their text in a color that will only be readable if you change your background color. Typical for a slaver, I guess.

I can not even find the option to edit text colour. I am new to this forum and my default background is pretty dark.

But perhaps your troubles of reading this text hail from lacking loyalty to the Emperor!

 

[Zeeman]

I can not even find the option to edit text colour. I am new to this forum and my default background is pretty dark.

But perhaps your troubles of reading this text hail from lacking loyalty to the Emperor!

On the bottom of the page, to the left of "Contact us", is a drop down menu of themes. go nuts!

For text colour, there are a bunch of icons on the top of the text box when typing a message, tot he right of "size" is a big "A", click on it, and the colour options are presented. Highlight the text you want to change the colour of, and then select the colour you want it to be from that drop down menu. If you understand hex codes, and know which pai rof number correspond to red, blue and green, you can customise your colours beyond the basic options, or click on "more colours"...


Z...

 

[Jeeves]

" There is a reason the Empire is what it is to this day."




((IC))


We must never forget, how our insitution of slavery came to pass and where it's roots hail from. At the beginning our Empire was nothing more but a loose bond of Colonies dominated by a Federation that was percieved as the mightiest force in the known universe. Yet it had lost it's way and appeal, rising inequality and interventionalism from Sol forcing our young Empire to stand up against the Federation agressors. To overcome such a overwhelming foe, it needed the entirety of Imperial might and society, each member doing his or her part to ensure the ongoing survival of the Empire.


Slavery was one of the purest manifestations of this struggle for survival. A foe so numerous, with an economy and military might so much greater than our fledgling empire could only be overcome by putting every member of society to work one way or the other. I will not bore you with records of how this has been undertaken, but as everyone of you surely remembers from your time in Imperial Education centers, against all odds and anticipations, our Empire suceeded and repelled the Federation agressors, starting the prestigious history of our glorious Empire which stands as a bulwark against Federal semi civilization to this day and slavery certainly has been one of the key segments of that victory.


Things have not changed too greatly over the last millenium. Our Empire's might have grown significantly, but it is still confronted by the Federation as it stands today. While the continuing survival of the Empire is nigh secured by the foresight of the Emperor, the Empire still has a monumental task ahead. The reunification of all of Humankind under the Empire and the reconnection to our ancient homelands in the Sol system.
Would you want to weaken the Empire by abolishing one of our most ancient and most productive institutions while such a grandious task still lies ahead?


Of course Slavery is not only a mere tool for Imperial ambition.


Over the course of human history, societies always have been looking for ways to make way for equality in their own communities. Equality of classes, equality of chances and so forth. This struggle... some called it class struggle had spawned many various political alliegances and motivations over the millenia of human history, and I shan't list them all, for the number of streams is too great, but what it all comes down to, is disunity, social unrest and degeneration and inevitable struggle.
Of course the notion of total equality of all citizens might seem outlandish to the loyal Imperial reader. Equal to the Emperor? Alternative to the Imperial class system? Inconcievable. However, one of those sources of struggle... the inequality of chances played a great role in our struggle against the Federation and how slavery came to pass.


As many of you might know, in the Federation you might easily end up on the bottom of the social ladder and once you are there, chances are that you will never rise again. The banks and the jobmarket based on many factors will keep you from rising once more. Remember that unrest gains magnitude, if those at the bottom of society are devoid of other options.
The Empire gives those unfortunate souls which have landed on that bottom of the ladder, an easy and human way to regain their position in society once more.
While a citizen of the federation might perhaps resort to rebellious acts or might just drug himself as to bear his great dishonor and shame, a citizen of the Empire has the chance to enter Imperial society once more as a productive member by handing him or herself over to the Imperial institution of slavery.


Once the slaves term is up, many new career paths open up once more, but I will not need to remind you, that our Slaves are being treated as what they are, even while being in that situation. Imperial loyal citizens with rights.


In the end, Slavery is not only beneficial to the Empire, but also beneficial to every loyal citizen.




Hail to the Emperor! Bask in his glory!


-Cmdr Aurelius Valerius-




((OOC))
Sorry for the long read. My Commander is quite the loyal Imperial. >=P

IC

The problem with you Imperial types is that you actually believe your own propaganda. If the original Emperor murdered his own Sister (and who would not suspect it? After her death he immediately changed all the priorities of their colony and made himself emperor, when she would have done nothing so greedy of the sort). The Empire has a metastatic cancer 1000 years old threaded into its very being. Slavery is not the only cancer though. The completely non-democratic society is the biggest thing. When human controlled space can be traversed in a matter of hours, and the trade barriers between peoples do not exist, it is only poverty, brainwashing and control that keeps the poor denizens of this universe from living their own life, as they see fit.

When we can terraform a world in an instant, and mine from asteroids, we need neither poverty, nor slavery. If people buy the inherent lies spat out by Senators and Federation CEOs, it is no wonder they would accept slavery. It to me is no wonder that we see Alliance worlds that have slaves.

Truly it is beyond rampant in human space. In many jurisdictions, it is more economical to trade in human life than it is to trade rare or precious metals. Why would this institution not persist under such circumstances?

The transformation away from slavery will be paid in blood, because that's all the powerful and rich in this universe understand anyways. It starts with system blockades. One at a time until they understand that slavery shall not be tolerated in the 34th century.

When we can build a cyborg that will live hundreds of years, and program it to enjoy its job, why would we need to trade in slaves? What is the point? How could they be more efficient than a machine that actually enjoys its job?

Humans only get one life. If I value my own life, surely everyone else is just like me. Spending the greatest part of mine in bondage? Anyone and everyone would loathe that idea.