IDEA: Community Goals to award faction decals

I belong to a player group with an in game minor faction ("6th Interstellar Corps"). A little while back Frontier ran the Dangerous Games and (I didn't realise this at the time but) in that event factions taking part were awarded their own logo as a decal, to all members who took part in the community goals involved. From a player group and faction point of view, this is simply amazing. This one minor detail would make our members enormously happy.

So, I would really love to see my faction logo on my ships, but obviously this is a lot of work, especially as every faction will be clamouring for this all at once.

I propose that a way Frontier could achieve this while giving them the time/space to complete the work required for each logo (assuming of there is room in the schedule at all) is... Frontier produce/maintain a list, internally, of player factions and the # of systems they control (as in, are controlling faction) and once a fortnight or once a month Frontier take the top faction on that list, contact them, and assuming the faction is interested creates a CG for them in their home system. The reward for participation will be the new faction decal and some amount of CR based on the tiers unlocked. Once a faction has a decal, they are removed from the list.

I would prefer not to restrict decal attainment to achieving a certain tier in the CG, or to achieving top 50% etc because I would not like to disadvantage the members of a faction who might not get online as often. I would also prefer if the community goal would run for the full week or so and not stop early. Essentially I want to be as inclusive as possible about this, as this is the whole point to being in a faction or part of a group.

I am hoping this will encourage more players to actually look for a group/faction to join, and create a more cohesive community. Of course, it might also create in-group/out-group divides and more conflict. Either way, it'll spice things up.

Edit: One assumption I made which I forgot to detail. I presume the groups/factions themselves will supply the logo, or at least a basis for the logo which Frontier might then have to tweak for various reasons to make it work. Frontier could supply guidelines to work from. All of this will cut down the resources Frontier need to invest to get this working.

Edit2: One of the bigger costs I have overlooked is the cost of getting logos pushed out to clients. Either a new system needs to be implemented to do this on the fly (loads of work) or logos would only appear with client updates. The latter is presumably less work but means factions would have to wait for patches/updates, and/or more frequent patches/updates would occur.
 
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CG management is a bit overloaded at the moment, so I'd prefer more reliable ways. This would also make them extremely limited.

We already have an issue with our decal not being available to newer members, but only those who participated in the dangerous games. Heck, even dedicated members missed it due to being away at the time. [blah]
 
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Whilst I don't mind the idea, I think I'll counter with a somewhat easier method which I've blatantly, and unashamedly stolen from Warframe.

1. The members of the faction get together and design their own logo. Frontier set up specific requirements for that logo, such as the size ( and basic rules like nothing rude, or derogatory or racist ).
2. The members submit their logo to Frontier through the account page and are charged £10 for it.
3. Frontier send it through a validation service.
3.1 If it fails, the members will need to redesign the logo ( as per Frontier feedback ) and resubmit ( another £10 ).
3.2 If it is accepted, Frontier will notify the faction that their submission has been accepted, and it will appear, in-game, within the next minor point patch.

The purpose of the fee is two-fold:
a) It will ensure players think about their submissions carefully,
b) It will be a paid for service, giving Frontier an additional revenue stream without having to do much of the leg work.

Here are a few examples of clan logo's I found from Warframe:
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These are all in-game, with players wearing them on the shoulders of their Warframe.

The logo would be obtained when pledging to a minor faction ( the best way I think ) and would be taken away when leaving, or being removed from, the faction.
 
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CG management is a bit overloaded at the moment, so I'd prefer more reliable ways.
Are you referring to the process Frontier has to go through to award things after a CG? I am making the assumption that given it has been used in the past it's most likely the best system in place currently, and probably the easiest system to improve as necessary.

This would also make them extremely limited.
I don't understand what you mean here.

We already have an issue with our decal not being available to newer members, but only those who participated in the dangerous games. Heck, even dedicated members missed it due to being away at the time. [blah]
This is an issue I thought about. I don't have a good idea for how to solve this, nor the issue of when players leave factions and those factions want to prevent them using the decal (which someone is bound to want to do). IMO, these other related issues shouldn't prevent this idea going ahead.

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Whilst I don't mind the idea, I think I'll counter with a somewhat easier method which I've blatantly, and unashamedly stolen from Warframe.
Your method is better in every way, except perhaps the most important one. I think Frontier are lacking the resource to be able to support this. Just look at how little resource is available for processing faction applications currently. I think that only an idea with a low/manageable amount of resource required will stand a chance, at least at this point in development. I could be wrong though.
 
CG management is a bit overloaded at the moment, so I'd prefer more reliable ways. This would also make them extremely limited.

We already have an issue with our decal not being available to newer members, but only those who participated in the dangerous games. Heck, even dedicated members missed it due to being away at the time. [blah]
I agree. There should be a better system to put player faction decals in the game other than a shoehorned CG. I mean it is a bit silly when you consider for example that random players who signed up for a CG can wear the faction decal of a player group without even being members yet new recruits to the group don't get access to it because they missed the CG. Let alone veteran members who happened to be on a break from ED when the one and only rare CG got put in.

In my opinion there should be a dedicated system specifically designed to put player faction decals into the game. Perhaps something tied to being allied/pledged with the player minor faction for 4 weeks ala Powerplay.
 
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Are you referring to the process Frontier has to go through to award things after a CG? I am making the assumption that given it has been used in the past it's most likely the best system in place currently, and probably the easiest system to improve as necessary.

Other way around. The process groups have to go through in order to get a CG going. It currently involves a lot of waiting, often months.
 
I agree. There should be a better system to put player faction decals in the game other than a shoehorned CG.
I totally agree. However, I suspect the biggest issue preventing this is available development resource which can be spared to implement it. I was aiming to propose something that might get added sooner, rather than later ;)

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Other way around. The process groups have to go through in order to get a CG going. It currently involves a lot of waiting, often months.
Ah, now that's not something we have tried yet. Again, this reinforces my point. Frontier either chose not to, or simply don't have the development resource to spend on group/faction related things. I wish they would spend more, but obviously I don't know what other amazing things they are doing instead. So, I think the only idea which will get any traction right now, is an idea with a low cost of development.
 
Battlefield 4 has emblem creation tool, its simple but work well. No submission just open it, use it and save it, Bam done and it appears to yours soldiers shoulder whit every camo option available, same with every weapons and vehicles set places where emblem can be placed it appears without any problems. This is minimal stuff i except from emblem/decal system in 60€ game, minimal as there is a lot of easy stuff they could have added to it. EA provided this function. I am sure frontier can do better than EA, am I?
 
I totally agree. However, I suspect the biggest issue preventing this is available development resource which can be spared to implement it. I was aiming to propose something that might get added sooner, rather than later ;)
Well it depends, do we want this done right? Or do we want this done slap dash? Like a player group decal to anyone and everyone that signed up to the Dangerous Games - some people signed up for all of the DG contestants and can now wear each one of the group's decals. Too bad for actual members of those groups who might've missed the DG or joined after.

Keeping in mind FD's tendency to be very slow to non-existant in revisiting placeholder content once they've slap dashed it into the game in its most skeletal state. Personally I'd rather the in-game decal mechanic be done right even if it means we have to wait longer for it.
 
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Your method is better in every way, except perhaps the most important one. I think Frontier are lacking the resource to be able to support this. Just look at how little resource is available for processing faction applications currently. I think that only an idea with a low/manageable amount of resource required will stand a chance, at least at this point in development. I could be wrong though.

I'm aware, but they don't really have an excuse when they made, what, like £18m in the first half of 2016? :p
 
I'm aware, but they don't really have an excuse when they made, what, like £18m in the first half of 2016? :p
Well.. I have no idea what it costs to run a software company, no doubt they have to invest money to make money and they have other projects on the go too like Planet Coaster.

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Well it depends, do we want this done right? Or do we want this done slap dash? Like a player group decal to anyone and everyone that signed up to the Dangerous Games - some people signed up for all of the DG contestants and can now wear each one of the group's decals. Too bad for actual members of those groups who might've missed the DG or joined after.
Doing it this way now doesn't prevent them improving on it in the future. I would prefer we had logos in the game, than not. If this gets them in the game then it looks like a win to me. I totally agree there are better ways to do it - the issue, I suspect, with all of those is purely development cost.

Keeping in mind FD's tendency to be very slow to non-existant in revisiting placeholder content once they've slap dashed it into the game in its most skeletal state. Personally I'd rather the in-game decal mechanic be done right even if it means we have to wait longer for it.
Personally I think this view/opinion is unfair to Frontier. I think Frontier have a schedule which covers perhaps an entire season (~1 year) of content, and so the chance to react quickly to things, in particular large things (like Power Play) just isn't there in the schedule. They can make smaller changes more rapidly and sure in the past we and they have been burnt by some less well thought out changes of this sort ("slapdash" as you say), but small changes can be made and reverted with more freedom than large ones.

The idea suggested here is hopefully a small change, if any, and if it doesn't go well or they run out of resource to support it they can simply put it on hold until they become less busy.
 
Battlefield 4 has emblem creation tool, its simple but work well. No submission just open it, use it and save it, Bam done and it appears to yours soldiers shoulder whit every camo option available, same with every weapons and vehicles set places where emblem can be placed it appears without any problems. This is minimal stuff i except from emblem/decal system in 60€ game, minimal as there is a lot of easy stuff they could have added to it. EA provided this function. I am sure frontier can do better than EA, am I?
I'm sure they can do better too.. but every good idea, no matter how "simple" it sounds often requires a load of work in the background to get it off the ground.

Your comment raised an interesting thought... Would people be happy with a logo only they could see? As in, if you could design your own logo and apply it to your ship but no-one else could see it, would you still be happy.. I think I might be. Obviously I would prefer if everyone saw it, but to do that requires a load more work, or time delays getting the logos published to all clients etc.
 
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Battlefield 4 has emblem creation tool, its simple but work well. No submission just open it, use it and save it, Bam done and it appears to yours soldiers shoulder whit every camo option available, same with every weapons and vehicles set places where emblem can be placed it appears without any problems. This is minimal stuff i except from emblem/decal system in 60€ game, minimal as there is a lot of easy stuff they could have added to it. EA provided this function. I am sure frontier can do better than EA, am I?

This is what I want. [yesnod]
 
Battlefield 4 has emblem creation tool, its simple but work well. No submission just open it, use it and save it, Bam done and it appears to yours soldiers shoulder whit every camo option available, same with every weapons and vehicles set places where emblem can be placed it appears without any problems. This is minimal stuff i except from emblem/decal system in 60€ game, minimal as there is a lot of easy stuff they could have added to it. EA provided this function. I am sure frontier can do better than EA, am I?

lol and how many male genital decals would be made?
 
I work for the Faction of Myself.
I gladly take money from other factions to perform the services they request, if the money is worth the effort.

Can I get a:

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instead?
 
I read the title thinking you meant Federation, Imperial and Alliance decals. :(

I think there is a very good chance we will get those at some point, like nearly 100% certain. It just makes sense. I'm more interested in my own faction having more of a presence in game.
 
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