If Betelgeuse goes Supernova
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I've often wondered why there hasn't been a supernova in the Elite galaxy. It would be a great addition, but lots of Cmdrs would be respawned.
How will you see that "new" supernova when it exploded within the live of the FD universe?
You will have to get within 6 lightyears of it but probably cannot jump into it, as it no longer has any mass to link the hyperjump to.
It must have explored about the middle ages for us too see it now from far away.
And since at least three flight carriers are docked there right now, this is unlikely. Or these carrier owners lie...
If you are outside the 6ly range (or 3ly, if that star blew up in 2018 erm 3305) you wil see BTGZ again as it was before.
You will have to get within 6 lightyears of it but probably cannot jump into it, as it no longer has any mass to link the hyperjump to.
It must have explored about the middle ages for us too see it now from far away.
And since at least three flight carriers are docked there right now, this is unlikely. Or these carrier owners lie...
If you are outside the 6ly range (or 3ly, if that star blew up in 2018 erm 3305) you wil see BTGZ again as it was before.
No, the ED galaxy is essentially a snapshot of the galaxy with time frozen, so we won't see Betelgeuse go nova. That's why nebula look the same from anywhere in the galaxy, nebula should change appearance as you get close because the light we see them by is thousands of years old, but that doesn't happen, the ED galaxy is essentially unchanging for all intents and purposes.
Are there supernova exploding right now in the Galaxy that I could visit in ED?
I don't think any supernova are in the game, so it's more a matter of the absence of a feature than "if it happened then they would put it in" right?
By 3300 it probably should be the Betelgeuse nebula. 
Cassiopaia?
Could be that you are a tad too late arriving for the initial exlosion and now only see the dust settling.
But in 11001 ly distance you might be able to watch it. ;-)
That's a really good question even if the answer is very likely no.
Considering it could take anywhere up to 100,000 years plus to for a resultiung planetary nebula be visible accross the entire galaxy, even if Betelgeuse went supernova tomorrow, the light from the event and subsequent remnants would have only gone a few 10s of systems over in every direction by the time the ED universe rolls around. Then considering that computing what time dilation you could see from any particular point on the Galmap becomes a near infinite calculation even in a heavily simplified mathematical model I'd say certainly no.
The only way you could simulate supernova in ED is to have light from it instantaneous which would be weird, and would be dynamic in a way that very distant objects really aren't. For example the last recorded supernova in Milky Way was in 1604, Kepler's star. The actual supernova occurred some 20,000 years before that though according to it's distance from us. Now there could have been other supernovas since, or even before, that happened further away and we still see the star as it was.
In fact, Betelgeuse could have already gone supernova, at any time in the last 500 years or so and we'd still not see it yet. (And I spend a few moments looking at that star every time I can see it, just in case.. y'know)
And then of course what you should be thinking is; hold on a minute, what do these nebulas and remnants actually look like now? because we don't know do we. So the Galmap isn't even a freeze frame of our galaxy (which when you really look into Relativity and so on is neither a plausible nor possible thing) it's just a freeze frame of our perpsective from within it.
And if we ever want to see 'realism' in a simulation of galaxies in this sense, I think we'll be waiting for Elite 13 Quantum Revenge in roughly the year 3305
That's not to say you couldn't make some sort of gameplay feature out of a completely unrealistic representation of it. Why not? I'm sceptical because to make it a gameplay feature it would have to be happening at an extreme rate, like 1 a week, and it would need to be a newly generated and injected system that didn't exist before to avoid just slowly deleting the entire galaxy. Could be done I guess.
Considering it could take anywhere up to 100,000 years plus to for a resultiung planetary nebula be visible accross the entire galaxy, even if Betelgeuse went supernova tomorrow, the light from the event and subsequent remnants would have only gone a few 10s of systems over in every direction by the time the ED universe rolls around. Then considering that computing what time dilation you could see from any particular point on the Galmap becomes a near infinite calculation even in a heavily simplified mathematical model I'd say certainly no.
The only way you could simulate supernova in ED is to have light from it instantaneous which would be weird, and would be dynamic in a way that very distant objects really aren't. For example the last recorded supernova in Milky Way was in 1604, Kepler's star. The actual supernova occurred some 20,000 years before that though according to it's distance from us. Now there could have been other supernovas since, or even before, that happened further away and we still see the star as it was.
In fact, Betelgeuse could have already gone supernova, at any time in the last 500 years or so and we'd still not see it yet. (And I spend a few moments looking at that star every time I can see it, just in case.. y'know)
And then of course what you should be thinking is; hold on a minute, what do these nebulas and remnants actually look like now? because we don't know do we. So the Galmap isn't even a freeze frame of our galaxy (which when you really look into Relativity and so on is neither a plausible nor possible thing) it's just a freeze frame of our perpsective from within it.
And if we ever want to see 'realism' in a simulation of galaxies in this sense, I think we'll be waiting for Elite 13 Quantum Revenge in roughly the year 3305
That's not to say you couldn't make some sort of gameplay feature out of a completely unrealistic representation of it. Why not? I'm sceptical because to make it a gameplay feature it would have to be happening at an extreme rate, like 1 a week, and it would need to be a newly generated and injected system that didn't exist before to avoid just slowly deleting the entire galaxy. Could be done I guess.
I think it is fair to say we observe objects moving at relativistic speeds in supercruise right now, and that those objects are animated in an accessible way for our convenience.
An animation sequence demonstrating collapse and ignition would be a great CG, with the potential for explorers, miners, rescue ships, etc. There might even be a Thargoid presence... who knows what their predictive powers they might have and what goodies they hope to extract from the event.
I say yes please FDEV - give us Supernovas.
An animation sequence demonstrating collapse and ignition would be a great CG, with the potential for explorers, miners, rescue ships, etc. There might even be a Thargoid presence... who knows what their predictive powers they might have and what goodies they hope to extract from the event.
I say yes please FDEV - give us Supernovas.
There's Eta Carina too, but I'm not sure it's in the ED Galaxy.
No we don't, our ships never reach a speed where you would see relativistic effects in real space, and the entire point of the FSD is that achieving those speeds in real space is impossible so we just move you out of real space into pretend space where relativity just doesn't happen. Observing ships moving at multiple C isn't basically impossible because that doesn't happen, nothing moves faster than light.
This ship is moving at a relativistic speed in the game.
We "see" it in the game.
In the same way that we "see" this ship in the game, we could observe an animation of a supernova in the game.
It wouldn't be "accurate" as an actual supernova event. It would be an animation of the event that we could see and understand - just like this ship.
Shin Dez goes nova.
Sold, take my money. Call it early access and to be released before that other space sim.