PvP If the Phantom is the statistically inferior fighter to the MK2, why are so many Cmdrs flying it?

Treptower Park

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I personally switched from the MK2 to the Phantom for PvP. And I dont know even why.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I see many Cmdrs fighting in Phantoms. (At least here on XBox)
All the while the statistics would suggest the MK2 to be the superior fighter. Or is it just me and I do have a peculiar bias, maybe towards the name (I mean, "Krait" does ring uncomfortable in my ears)?
I find the Phantom just feels mor streamlined and straightforward. Probaly easier to manage? Enlighten me please :O
 

Krash

Krash
My answer is I prefer the phantom due to speed. Here is my shield tank build. Sure, I could do something similar with the MK2 but will it still have the 573 endless boost and lazy 4/1/1 pip management? Yes, I'm a lazy PvPer. The phantom might be considered OP'd by those standards.
 
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Elpapo

Elpapo
Its mainly because of speed, 535 vs 590, lol. I can live on without that 1 extra large hardpoint and fighter bay for that much of speed instead.

Its much alike to FAS but better. Right now, FAS its only better than phantom by manueverability, apart of it, its inferior in all ways.

Its faster than any FDL or FAS (unlike mk.II), while can be tanky much as FAS, while having better shields than FAS, being much more better suited for biwave bulids.

Thin profile when facing taget, size 7 distro, very good hardpoint placement for fixed (way better if compared to FAS to example, wich shares same hardpoints config), MLF 17 so its on par with pythons, other kraits, and only big 5 can L-wake from it.

Kraits have also that 3 sec boost than allows them perma-boost with just 2 pip in eng, wich is essential to always face taget, to take advantage of its thin profile. Even without pips at eng at all, it still can boost 3 times, wich again, for biwave bulids is superior to FAS.

Krash said:
Here is my shield tank build.
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Nice shields, but must be terrible against phasing bulids.
 
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Krash

Krash
Elpapo said:
Its mainly because of speed, 535 vs 590, lol. I can live on without that 1 extra large hardpoint and fighter bay for that much of speed instead.

Its much alike to FAS but better. Right now, FAS its only better than phantom by manueverability, apart of it, its inferior in all ways.

Its faster than any FDL or FAS (unlike mk.II), while can be tanky much as FAS, while having better shields than FAS, being much more better suited for biwave bulids.

Thin profile when facing taget, size 7 distro, very good hardpoint placement for fixed (way better if compared to FAS to example, wich shares same hardpoints config), MLF 17 so its on par with pythons, other kraits, and only big 5 can L-wake from it.

Kraits have also that 3 sec boost than allows them perma-boost with just 2 pip in eng, wich is essential to always face taget, to take advantage of its thin profile. Even without pips at eng at all, it still can boost 3 times, wich again, for biwave bulids is superior to FAS.



Nice shields, but must be terrible against phasing bulids.
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Indeed. In the rock, paper, scissors scenario, that would be the scissors vs my paper. I haven't faced one yet, but its the reason I added the class 3 HRP.
 

Elpapo

Elpapo
Krash said:
Indeed. In the rock, paper, scissors scenario, that would be the scissors vs my paper. I haven't faced one yet, but its the reason I added the class 3 HRP.
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You might wanna add another class 5 HD deepP HRP, instead of one of Guardian shield boosters, as that would almost double your hull points. Losing 215 MJ seems worth it and this would give atleast bit more standing against phasing. And 2.200 MJ still is hell of shield.
 
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CMDR Cknarf

CMDR Cknarf
I’ve encountered well built examples of each Krait variant. It’s a preference thing.

Top speed is nice for escaping seeker spam, though.
 

JetsonRING

JetsonRING
If I want to fight using a Krait, I will use a Mk II for the extra hardpoint on top and greater armor but, sometimes I am not looking for a fight. For example the Phantom makes a very good materials gathering and surface prospecting ship.
 

Treptower Park

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Elpapo said:
Its mainly because of speed, 535 vs 590, lol. I can live on without that 1 extra large hardpoint and fighter bay for that much of speed instead.

Its much alike to FAS but better. Right now, FAS its only better than phantom by manueverability, apart of it, its inferior in all ways.

Its faster than any FDL or FAS (unlike mk.II), while can be tanky much as FAS, while having better shields than FAS, being much more better suited for biwave bulids.

Thin profile when facing taget, size 7 distro, very good hardpoint placement for fixed (way better if compared to FAS to example, wich shares same hardpoints config), MLF 17 so its on par with pythons, other kraits, and only big 5 can L-wake from it.

Kraits have also that 3 sec boost than allows them perma-boost with just 2 pip in eng, wich is essential to always face taget, to take advantage of its thin profile. Even without pips at eng at all, it still can boost 3 times, wich again, for biwave bulids is superior to FAS.



Nice shields, but must be terrible against phasing bulids.
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Ah yeah, makes sense! Mind sharing a build? Mine does 586 with 3.2k armour and 460 shields or so..
 
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CMDR Big Mike

CMDR Big Mike
My Phantom is my "run around" ship. For example, last night I used it to take a trip around Sol and visit random stuff. I also use it to get between my home base, my base for fighting goids, and Founders world. It looks dashing in gold is a fine pleasure cruising ship. I run MC turrets on the top and rails in the medium. I was able to complete a base attack scenario near pluto yesterday, and never dropped sheilds. Its a fun little ship and great all-rounder.

I used to use the MkII in this role, but now I refitted it to be a pure AX machine. And it slaughters goids. The hard points are set up well and the SLF is very useful for a little extra damage and distraction.

If I had to pick one for strictly combat, it would probably be the MkII, for the fighter and extra class 3 HP. Both are just too much fun not to own!!
 

tactical bacon

tactical bacon
i run my phantom as a hybrid prismatic hull tank sound odd for pvp i know but the prismatic gives me 1800mj of shield with rez's all above 50% if the shield does drop i have 3800 hull integrity that integrity along with the low profile and heat management makes it a great silent runner as well. running 2 large OC phasing plasma and long range rails means when silent running a dont have to bother with pip management as i can leave 3 pips each in both engines and weapons and the class 7 distro offers real fast recharge with both shields and silent running
 

Oopsie Daisy

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I currently use my phantom as a decently combat ready explorer. Great for killing explorers (but then, what isn't?) and tooting around the bubble in open.
 

Hellfire85

Hellfire85
Why?
Let's see... Low front and side profile, cheated class 7 distro allowing for 2 pip perma-boost and almost no pip management, huge healthpool for a ship that has barely any visible armor, weapon placement is optimal, and no need to learn to use it to "feel like a pro".
Another OP noobships for everyone to enjoy...
Btw, not everyone flies that crap.
I for one prefer my good old vulture, at least I know that if I win a fight, it's because I practiced enough.
 

znôrt

znôrt
i haven't even flown the phantom yet but reading all this ... nerf incoming?

(i like the mk2, it's a very good ship, but flies too pythonish for my taste).
 

Bortas

Bortas
Krash said:
My answer is I prefer the phantom due to speed. Here is my shield tank build. Sure, I could do something similar with the MK2 but will it still have the 573 endless boost and lazy 4/1/1 pip management? Yes, I'm a lazy PvPer. The phantom might be considered OP'd by those standards.
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The MK2 has the same low boost energy consumption as the Phantom.

And the speed advantage doesn't really help in PvP, does it? Well, unless you want to escape, but the MK2s higher MLF is probably more useful.

So objectively there's really no point chosing the Phantom over the MK2... and yet - as weird as it is - I'm probably going to build a PvP-Phantom this weekend. No idea why... maybe because it has a better boost sound ;)
 

Elpapo

Elpapo
SushiCW said:
Does the Phantom have a longer boost than the Mk2? IIRC Krait 2 is 2.5 seconds.
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Is that so? Never tested how roughly in miliseconds boost are in kraits, for me it always felt like about 3 seconds for both of kraits. Still, I dont think that phantom got any longer boost than mk.II version.


Treptower Park said:
Ah yeah, makes sense! Mind sharing a build? Mine does 586 with 3.2k armour and 460 shields or so..
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Krait Phantom - Biweave hybrid setup vs reverski's 4-0-2 users.

Krait Phantom - Biweave hybrid setup vs shield stackers users.

Only diffrence is weapon setup and FSD size, feel free to use whatever u want there. 1st setup got heavier weapons, so it got size less FSD in order to keep that 590 speed, as in PVP, I dont care much about Hi-wake ability at all, unless being ganked by full wings while flyin alone... even then, 5ly is enough to evade such for 100% of cases. For myself, both of these loadouts, works very well in thier intended roles.

These bulids aint got maxed out hull and shielding (2,7k hull, 426 shields) as they are close as possible within thusters mimimum mass... surely one can afford to lose these few m/s to gain extra bit of hull, shields, jump range or whatever, but atleast I am sure that ship agility is maxed out as I prefer to be... very evasive in a way how I fly :).

Bortas said:
And the speed advantage doesn't really help in PvP, does it? Well, unless you want to escape, but the MK2s higher MLF is probably more useful.
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I disagree with that.

First - Both of kraits got same MLF... wich is 17. Apart of kraits, only python have same MLF, and above that are only big 5.

Second - In high end PVP, speed matters a lot. Even tiny bit like just 2-3 m/s more. Mainly for evasive ability, wich is quite something diffrent than escape ability. More speed ship has, then easier is to evade to counterattack.
 
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Crimson Kaim

Crimson Kaim
Gotta catch up with those reverski heroes. I fought someone yesterday who refused to come closer than 12km and tried to pull me his way. I was sitting at 0m/s waiting for him to go back into his own weapon range. After around 10 minutes and two times disappearing from my long range scanners he low waked out at 13km. I take it as a win.

He used 2 seekers.
 
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Lucius-Darcia

Lucius-Darcia
When do people realise, that the Krait MK.II has only a MLF of 16? :rolleyes:
I don't know of the Phantom yet but none of them has 17!! My Python can easily low-wake from them which wouldn't be the case when sharing MLF.
Sadly i'm on work but maybe i can share later a screenshot. I was in a Cobra MK.IV and tried low waking from a Krait MK.II and the game said definitly 16 MLF!!

Beside combat, the Krait Phantom is a superior explorer. Cheap and can take all modules perfectly fitted for guardian research:
https://s.orbis.zone/20m1
 
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[VR] Frank_G

[VR] Frank_G
The Phantom is deginitely the betterexploration vessel. I love the Mk. II for operations inside inhabited space,while i prefer the Phantom for trips that go beyond.
 
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