PvP If the Phantom is the statistically inferior fighter to the MK2, why are so many Cmdrs flying it?

Elpapo

Elpapo
Lucius-Darcia said:
When do people realise, that the Krait MK.II has only a MLF of 16? :rolleyes:
I don't know of the Phantom yet but none of them has 17!! My Python can easily low-wake from them which wouldn't be the case when sharing MLF.
Sadly i'm on work but maybe i can share later a screenshot. I was in a Cobra MK.IV and tried low waking from a Krait MK.II and the game said definitly 16 MLF!!

Beside combat, the Krait Phantom is a superior explorer. Cheap and can take all modules perfectly fitted for guardian research:
https://s.orbis.zone/20m1
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I would kindly remind thats is a PVP related thread, lol. OP aint askin how good phantom is as explorer but why is so good in PVP, or I missing something.

Bortas said:
Nope, please have a look at this thread (with screenshots): https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/474999

TLDR:
Python MLF = 17
Krait MK2 MLF = 16
Krait Phantom MLF = 14

Coriolis and edshipyard both have their numbers wrong.
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Oh, so thats it. Never tried to low-wake from these anyway, lol. I guess I was fooled by corolis, my bad. I take it back for first disagree before, and give u a credit, but still holds second opinion of ealier, with speed thing.
 
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SushiCW

SushiCW
Elpapo said:
Is that so? Never tested how roughly in miliseconds boost are in kraits, for me it always felt like about 3 seconds for both of kraits. Still, I dont think that phantom got any longer boost than mk.II version.
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I was using the spreadsheet found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...lite_dangerous_ship_acceleration_and_agility/


I don't know if Phantom stats got tweaked after that. Haven't flown one myself (no SLF, no deal) so I couldn't say if it's accurate for the newest ships.
 

Krash

Krash
Elpapo said:
I would kindly remind thats is a PVP related thread, lol. OP aint askin how good phantom is as explorer but why is so good in PVP, or I missing something.
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The phantom is significantly faster than the MK2. My builds: Mk2 (boost 535), Phantom (boost 570). With 1 less class 3 HP, the phantom is even easier on the pip management than the MK2. Lazy 4/1/1 combat with near endless boosting.
 

Bortas

Bortas
Krash said:
The phantom is significantly faster than the MK2. My builds: Mk2 (boost 535), Phantom (boost 570).
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6.5% faster... wouldn't really want to call that significant, tbh :)

I've tried both, but can't say the speed advantage is worth sacrificing a C3 hardpoint and the fighter, which is basically another flying C3 hardpoint ;)
Apart from the considerably lower firepower and slightly higher speed, the Phantom handles virtually exactly like the MK2.

Hopefully FD will release a medium imperial ship with similar internals soon, so I can re-use my Combat Phantom's modules for it :D
 
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Jaxterix

Jaxterix
Bortas said:
6.5% faster... wouldn't really want to call that significant, tbh :)

I've tried both, but can't say the speed advantage is worth sacrificing a C3 hardpoint and the fighter, which is basically another flying C3 hardpoint ;)
Apart from the considerably lower firepower and slightly higher speed, the Phantom handles virtually exactly like the MK2.

Hopefully FD will release a medium imperial ship with similar internals soon, so I can re-use my Combat Phantom's modules for it :D
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In PvP that 6.5% difference can be quite significant! Most of the meta ships (FDL, FAS, Chieftain, Challenger, Krait MK II) are all hovering around 550 boost speed, give or take a few depending on ship and build. Once you cross the 570+ range you definitely feel the difference, and have the ability to control the engagement, or disengage if needed.
 

Crimson Kaim

Crimson Kaim
You can squeeze the firepower of the C7 distro into those 4 hardpoints with ease. Also the phantom is faster and I like to be able to catch up with meta FDLs that still believe they can onetrick everyone. Also, it has access to a really nice manouver :p
For firepower I'd use the Krait though. 5 HPs and a fighter ez. That's especially fun if you are having 4 of them in a wing. That's basically 160 DPS from the fighters alone, so one extrs Krait on top :D
 

Krash

Krash
Jaxterix said:
In PvP that 6.5% difference can be quite significant! Most of the meta ships (FDL, FAS, Chieftain, Challenger, Krait MK II) are all hovering around 550 boost speed, give or take a few depending on ship and build. Once you cross the 570+ range you definitely feel the difference, and have the ability to control the engagement, or disengage if needed.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. I see many PvP situations where that 35m/s difference is the difference between escaping and the rebuy screen.
 
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