I'm SO Ticked off RIGHT NOW...

[Werewolf13]

... that as my grandmother used to say, "I could spit nickles". Stupid and anarchicistic saying but if I said what I really wanted to say ED would probably cancel my account and send a squad of SAS types to the US to teach me manners.

Keeping in mind that numerous (in fact almost every single one of the 100+ games I own) have key editing systems that are intuitive and easy to use and can be renamed to what ever you want and pulled up when ever you want. The the ED key binding edit system in comparison is totally hosed and must have been designed by a monkey (and that's the nicest way to say that that I could come up with)

My X52 Pro is going south. Still mostly works and it's set up with voice attack - around 60 commands. Renamed the Saitek X52 default to X52Pro ages ago, built it up and eventually copied the custom file over to X52PRO and renamed the 1st line in it as the X52PRO version etc etc.

I select the X52PRO binding once and all is good for about the last year. No problems.

But because it's going south I bought a new Joy Stick. A Thrustmaster T16000m Flight Control System (big, big mistake - don't get this for ED - but that's another thread so I'm not going there).

Anyway - knowing that ED's key binding system is flawed I copied both the X52Pro binding file and the X52PRO.2.0 Binding file to files of the same name with the Copy tag in the new name.

Loaded up ED with the TM FCS attached and went to controls. Pulled in the T16000m default binding which was now in the list and spent about 1/2 hour setting up the joystick and TWCS throttle and about another hour setting up Voice Attack. Worked OKAY but the nicest way I can say this is that was $106 I'll never see again and was totally wasted.

So I went back to the X52PRO binding (figured it wouldn't have changed). !!!! It had reverted to the default Saitek X52 Pro ED supplied binding with no Voice Attack setup at all.

No big deal thought I. I'll just restore the backup. So I killed the bad ones. Restored the backups. And again ! !!!!!

When I loaded up the restored X52PRO binding - it too had reverted to the default Saitek X52Pro bindings.

Came close to just sayin' *&^%##$%()(*(*!!!!!!! and wipin' ED off my drive...

... Real Close...

Didn't. Too much time invested in it and I like it. Good game.

But MAN! whoever designed the keybind edit system??? Lucky he/she doesn't work for me - he/she would be gone and I don't know if it can still be done but black balled right out of the industry.

[mad][mad][mad][mad][mad] [mad][mad][mad][mad][mad][mad][mad][mad][mad][mad][mad][mad]​

 

[Bottom Hat]

Bad luck dude, that must seriously suck. I don't have any answers I'm afraid, but wanted to acknowledge your post as I imagine you are spitting feathers

 

[Werewolf13]

Bad luck dude, that must seriously suck. I don't have any answers I'm afraid, but wanted to acknowledge your post as I imagine you are spitting feathers

Thanks, Man. Appreciate the kind words. I'm a bit calmer now but have zero desire to play ED at the moment. Not looking forward to rebuilding my X52Pro setup and adding back in the voice attack stuff just to have to do it again when I get another REAL Hotas setup. Maybe by then we'll be at 3.0 and ED will have created a REAL keybind edit system that's usable without having to jump thru fire lit hoops.

 

[d8veh]

I know exactly how you feel. I'm just trying to change over from X52 to Virpil sticks. It would be nice if they had an export and import keybindings to a filename, so you could see what you've got. if you know your way though the keybinding system, you can get by, but it's not easy.

 

[shadragon]

I've bought two TM FCS HOTAS with no issues.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

lol .. desire ruin someones entire career because of a fluffy keybinding system. [haha]

My sympathies though OP; I hope you come right with your keybinds.

 

[MottiKhan]

You had me at spitting nickles.

 

[Han Zulu]

Did you rename them inside the file header as well or only the file names?

I had a problem a couple of weeks ago, the settings wouldn't stick, and it was related to that I had two files with different file names, but the name in the XML file header was the same, or something like that. So make sure the XML tag is properly named.

 

[leeG]

What USB devices did you have connected to your computer when you tried to go back to your old settings? Missing or extra controllers connected to the computer cause Elite to load default bindings, not your customized bindings. If I forget to turn on the XBox controller I use for VR galaxy map navigation, my custom bindings do not load. I have relaunch the game with the XBon controller turned on get it working.

 

[Mephane]

What USB devices did you have connected to your computer when you tried to go back to your old settings? Missing or extra controllers connected to the computer cause Elite to load default bindings, not your customized bindings.

You got that slightly backwards that. ED is at fault for whatever it means to be "clever" by automatically loading, not loading, resetting, restoring, etc, the key binding files. And it is terrible at it. That the common advice before major updates, to back-up your key binding files, is even necessary is ridiculous.

And it would have been all so easy if we could just set up profiles on our own, save and load them at our will, and the game would just obey (and not erase any key bindings currently not applicable - if the requires device is not plugged in, so what, if I chose to load the profile, the game should keep it intact).

 

[Suvi Anwar]

I know exactly how you feel. I'm just trying to change over from X52 to Virpil sticks. It would be nice if they had an export and import keybindings to a filename, so you could see what you've got. if you know your way though the keybinding system, you can get by, but it's not easy.

If I remember correctly, you can. Change a keybind and save it, then you can find the files in "AppData\Local\Frontier Developments\Elite Dangerous\Options\Bindings"

 

[Bottom Hat]

Thanks, Man. Appreciate the kind words. I'm a bit calmer now but have zero desire to play ED at the moment. Not looking forward to rebuilding my X52Pro setup and adding back in the voice attack stuff just to have to do it again when I get another REAL Hotas setup. Maybe by then we'll be at 3.0 and ED will have created a REAL keybind edit system that's usable without having to jump thru fire lit hoops.

Hey OP, no worries mate I just hope you can get it patched back up and running again as soon as you feel like attacking the game again, but also that this annoyance doesn't keep you from the game for very long! The comments above seem pretty helpful at times, so perhaps you can find a 'gold nugget' of information in there that will fix things up straight off?

I haven't suffered from the bindings problems up until now, and hopefully I won't from here on in either - but that is not meant to just be an annoying comment! I have a number of friends in game who have struggled with the same issue, either at or after an update, or after some time away from the game, so I am sure someone will have been through this same hassle before, and be able to help you to nail your problem really quick for you

Best of luck with this, and whilst I know it is probably the last thing you want to read right now, try to come back to the game as soon as you can, as in my humble opinion it is an awesome game that I can lose myself in for so many hours at a time, RL permitting ....... I also hope that the game can make up for this irritation some other way, so that this issue disappears into the past, as nothing more than a rubbish memory ...

Cheers and good luck with this pal,
The Hat

 

[Werewolf13]

I've bought two TM FCS HOTAS with no issues.

Didn't want to go here but...

The TM FCS would undoubtedly work for other games but for me not ED. TM is not true hands off for ED. Even after adding in the VA stuff it was uncomfortable for me to use based on the placement of the controls on the throttle. The throttle feels wierd, it is not nearly as accurate as I'd like it to be and the 3 hats (2 of which aren't really hats) are ergonomically uncomfortable to me. I tried it - no joy which is why I went back to the broken X52 pro which even in it's broken state was superior to the TM. The joystick is a pleasure. I'm seriously thinking about using it for FSX - but ED - never.

IMO it just isn't suitable for use with ED. I suppose I've been spoiled by a real HOTAS stick and throttle system with an ergonomically designed throttle and stick.

 

[Werewolf13]

Did you rename them inside the file header as well or only the file names?

I had a problem a couple of weeks ago, the settings wouldn't stick, and it was related to that I had two files with different file names, but the name in the XML file header was the same, or something like that. So make sure the XML tag is properly named.

Inside the file header...

 

[Werewolf13]

What USB devices did you have connected to your computer when you tried to go back to your old settings? Missing or extra controllers connected to the computer cause Elite to load default bindings, not your customized bindings. If I forget to turn on the XBox controller I use for VR galaxy map navigation, my custom bindings do not load. I have relaunch the game with the XBon controller turned on get it working.

X52 Unplugged and TM plugged in when I setup and used the TM.
Unplugged the TM and plugged in the X52 when I went back.

Note: I always plug the X52 into the same USB port.

 

[leeG]

X52 Unplugged and TM plugged in when I setup and used the TM.
Unplugged the TM and plugged in the X52 when I went back.

Note: I always plug the X52 into the same USB port.

Beats me. If you have the same USB devices connected to the computer as when you created the X52 profile, and selected that profile when launching the game the first time you reverted back to the X52, all should have been good.

I find the way FD handles the bindings a bit screwy too. The first time I encountered it when forgetting to turn on my XBox controller sent me into a hour long diagnostics checking my joysticks and the computer’s USB hardware.

Edit: Werewolf, did I misunderstand your post and your are reporting what you do to have the bindings work correctly? That makes more sense than the way I initially read it.

 

[Zeeman]

They binding management system is rather poor, we really should not have to dig through seven layers of folders in Windows and be editing text files to be able to back up/save/change bindings.

Z...

 

[Han Zulu]

They binding management system is rather poor, we really should not have to dig through seven layers of folders in Windows and be editing text files to be able to back up/save/change bindings.

Z...

Agree. I'm tempted to start working on a tool that could edit that file in a more direct manner. I want to see my controller and pick with button/joystick and then assign it or something like that. More like how all other tools tend to do it.

 

[The Replicated Man]

I feel your pain. Been there a few different times. o7

 

[IndigoWyrd]

I have a do-it-myself setup using a Logitech 3d Pro Extreme, CH Pro Throttle, and G13 gamepad.

It took me several hours to set everything up initially as I tested and experimented with various setups.

Then there was an update, and I don't remember which, but it was a while ago.. 2.3 maybe? Anyways, my keybinds got wiped, and I didn't back them up.
It took maybe 10 minutes to remap everything. No big deal, really. Annoying, sure, but that's about it.

Then, about a month or so ago, I updated my CH Pro software and it burped my settings again.
About 5 minutes to fix it. Again, not that big of an issue, and I managed to fix a little something that had been bugging me for a while, but never enough to actually do anything about.