Powerplay Instead of de-pledging every Cmdr with 0 Power Play Merits, Why not award everyone 100 or so merits just before the patch and avoid this altogether?

Punished Mobius

Punished Mobius
Instead of de-pledging every Cmdr with 0 Power Play Merits, Why not award everyone 100 or so merits just before the patch and avoid this altogether?

In case anyone is unaware if you have 0 merits going into 2.4 you will be depledged from your Power Play (Ugh) faction. Regardless of time pledged.
This is incredibly inconvenient to many players. Explorers specifically due to the fact there is no way to earn merits outside the bubble.


Personally I simply hate Power play (ugh) and the only reason I am currently involved is because I am stealing Imperial tech (might be a bunch of slaver scum but you do make nice toys) Otherwise I would be Winter's pledged and going about my Federal business. But instead of guarding Sol for the launch of 2.4 I will instead be in Imperial space pretending I care about the propaganda I will be delivering from the HQ to the nearest place to dump this Biowaste Power play (ugh) cargo simply so I can retain the almost 3 weeks pledged now.

All around a pretty cruddy situation going into 2.4 Not only will we have buggy aliens (ba dum tshh) to complain about but people will be losing their time pledged for no fault of their own. That's not a good way to kick off what many of us hope to be your first Non catastrophic failure of an update. (2.1 AI insta killed anyone in a non engineered ship. Rollback. 2.2 Passengers are introduced. Stations Guns killed hundreds of players for no reason due to a dev error in station coding. 2.3 Multicrew the core feature of the update still does not work without severe CTDs regularly.) Now despite our tendency to take potshots at you with our criticisms we don't actually want you to keep giving us more ammo to take aim at you with.

So Instead of putting up a big middle finger to Explorers (as usual I feel) and basically anyone else pledged to a faction how about simply adding 100 or even literally 1 single merit to everyone's accounts and circumvent this issue altogether? You are Gods of this dimension are you not? Why shirk the responsibility to the players if you are capable of doing it yourself. I am expected to believe the same people who brought stars and planets to our screens can't change a 0 into a 1? Cmon. If you were capable of taking a bunch of cheaters toys away after investigating them then surely you can give out some free merits to anyone involved in Power play (ugh)

Here is one idea.
Maybe start a thread here and on reddit. Have us simply state our Cmdr name and Power play (ugh) faction and your support team will add 100 merits to all players who signed up to be on the list. This way it is an opt in program and leaves minimal work for you to do.
 

Mohrgan

Mohrgan
Because, they want Pledging to PP, to be akin to consenting to the PvP aspect of the feature. They want idling players to be aware of the issue, and make an a conscious decision to get involved with direct PP-PvP, before they get complaints that someone didn't know they could get shot at, while farming for the princess' shields.
 
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Punished Mobius

Punished Mobius
Mohrgan said:
Because, they want Pledging to PP, to be akin to consenting to the PvP aspect of the feature. They want idling players to be aware of the issue, and make an a conscious decision to get involved with direct PP-PvP, before they get complaints that someone didn't know they could get shot at, while farming for the princess' shields.
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Ok then put that in the Disclaimer for the 2.4 free merits sign up or something. It just still seems they can do something to at least reach out to those in deep space. For all my grumbling I am still in the bubble and could begrudgingly get this PP nonsense done in what is considered in this game to be "a short amount of time" But I still thinks it is cruddy for them to create a situation where we are at all worried about power play (ugh) merits right before what will hopefully be an epic invasion.
 

Madrax573

Madrax573
I personally think that if you don't have merits for PP after a week or so you should be unpledged anyways.

The mass unpledging if fine as people then have to make the conscious choice to get back into it with all the pros/cons of it.
 

Gunnet

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There should definitely be some way for it to be more directly optional.

I get that they're worried about issues with PP's new role as the home of consequence-free player killing, but it would be nice if a little consideration could be given to explorers and players who are taking a break for whatever reason. Especially when unpledging players with zero merits won't even achieve the desired goal of not giving people unpleasant surprises, since there are undoubtedly going to be players who participate in PP (and therefore have merits) yet don't realise the significance of remaining pledged once 2.4 goes live.
 

kofeyh

kofeyh
The only people this affects, directly, are those who actually care about how long they have been pledged, despite expressly not being engaged in PP for a number of weeks, months, or years (dead weight) or module tourists who aren't interested in PP, for PP, and are only interested in the modules.

The powers UI is available at any time, via the left menu, so you can be 45,000 LY out in week 5 of exploration and re-sign at will. So, this is actually a non-event.

However; not communicating this change, in game, is very bad. It needs to be clearly stated, in game. I'd prefer that a message is sent to every pledged commander, to state the heightened risks, and do they agree [Y/N]. Ignore the message, be unpledged within 5 days. Respond either way, sorted.

I don't care which way frontier go; frankly I'd be fine if they don't say anything, leave people aligned, and we see a slight increase in people complaining about dying in open. I think they were trying to help, but it's probably just not a value proposition to mass depledge people. People don't read update changes half the time, anyway.
 
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Vasious

Vasious
Not sure the logic here
So FDev said they will unpledge those with Zero Merits
You don't want this to happen as there are people who have zero merits due to being busy
Fair enough
Why is giving everyone 100 merit the solution?
As the unpledging of zero merits is a manual intervention so why not just ask it to not happen
 

DNA-Decay

DNA-Decay
Madrax573 said:
I personally think that if you don't have merits for PP after a week or so you should be unpledged anyways.

The mass unpledging if fine as people then have to make the conscious choice to get back into it with all the pros/cons of it.
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Mangal Oemie said:
the mass unpledging might be the neckshot PP needs
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You can prize these merits from my cold dead one hundred and thirteen week pledged hands.

Fat Boy Eddie all the way.

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babelfisch

babelfisch
FDEV is going to unpledge everyone with 0 merits because they want to remove everyone who is inactive from powerplay. The reason is that some changes to the crime system are disabled for powerplay to enable legal PvP. There is a huge number of players who are pledged to a power who aren't actually playing powerplay, they forgot to unpledge or just don't care. The goal is to just have players in power play who are actually interested in power play. Your suggestion doesn't solve anything in this regard ;)

Personally I think they should add a new status like "inactive", everyone who doesn't participate in PP within one week gets moved there and can continue where they stopped if they want to.
 
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furrycat

furrycat
vindelanos said:
Jesus Christ, dude!

It's one goddamn merit.

One.
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Remind me again how you earn merits while out exploring. While in Colonia. While on a break from the game. One merit is no easier than 10,000 for players in those situations to earn.

Time spent in Powerplay is a consideration for some people, whether for progress towards module unlocks or just as a badge of honour. Frontier are telling them "we are going to take this away from you unless you make the effort to do something about it. Oh and by the way it might not actually be possible for you to do it."

And for what? Is the 2.4 crime and punishment system going to be so effective that all the seal clubbers, gankers and griefers give up on attacking random people and start specifically targetting Powerplay pledges? I doubt it.
 

YinYin

YinYin
Well, I explicitly came back from Colonia. Yes I'm just a "module tourist".

I'm most curious if this might make me a thargoid target. I haven't ever directly seen them before, not even a crashed ship.
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
furrycat said:
Remind me again how you earn merits while out exploring. While in Colonia. While on a break from the game. One merit is no easier than 10,000 for players in those situations to earn.

Time spent in Powerplay is a consideration for some people, whether for progress towards module unlocks or just as a badge of honour. Frontier are telling them "we are going to take this away from you unless you make the effort to do something about it. Oh and by the way it might not actually be possible for you to do it."

And for what? Is the 2.4 crime and punishment system going to be so effective that all the seal clubbers, gankers and griefers give up on attacking random people and start specifically targetting Powerplay pledges? I doubt it.
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If someone doesn't play the game for months or leaves his power to go exploring I don't see why he should still be part of power play. These people don't participate. They decided to do something else.
 

ITZC0ATL

ITZC0ATL
babelfisch said:
If someone doesn't play the game for months or leaves his power to go exploring I don't see why he should still be part of power play. These people don't participate. They decided to do something else.
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This.

Could be explained in RP as Powers trying to get an accurate census of their independent forces as Thargoid battle looms ever closer.
 

furrycat

furrycat
babelfisch said:
If someone doesn't play the game for months or leaves his power to go exploring I don't see why he should still be part of power play. These people don't participate. They decided to do something else.
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That's a separate topic. The justification for unpledging people on this occasion is PVP rule changes.
 

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furrycat said:
Remind me again how you earn merits while out exploring. While in Colonia. While on a break from the game. One merit is no easier than 10,000 for players in those situations to earn.
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So what? It's a minor, minor inconvenience. You click on your little Galactic Powers button and hit "pledge". If you lose your progress on a powerplay module, well, you're gaming powerplay for the module anyways, so why should Frontier grant you any special consideration.

No, this is a non-issue.

Besides, OP ain't out displorin'. He very clearly stated that he's just being stubborn and doesn't want to go earn the one merit he needs to stay pledged.
 

Gunnet

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vindelanos said:
So what? It's a minor, minor inconvenience. You click on your little Galactic Powers button and hit "pledge". If you lose your progress on a powerplay module, well, you're gaming powerplay for the module anyways, so why should Frontier grant you any special consideration.

No, this is a non-issue.

Besides, OP ain't out displorin'. He very clearly stated that he's just being stubborn and doesn't want to go earn the one merit he needs to stay pledged.
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There are players with a hundred weeks of continuous pledging. Resetting their counters because they happened to be out exploring at the wrong time certainly isn't a non-issue.
 
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