Instead of making large ship (Type 7, Clipper) smaller....

VR SenseiMatty

VR SenseiMatty
Talking about Type 7 and Clipper, time to time it comes back the proposal to make a new smaller version of these ships so that they can land on the Medium Pad in the small outposts.
Now let's try to think the other way round:

Landing pads should be: Small, Medium, Large, Huge
  • Huge: Type9-10, Anaconda, Cutter, Corvette, Beluga, Orca
  • Large: Type 7, Clipper
  • Medium: no change
  • Small: no change
In space ports Huge and Large pads are the same, so no change to the game assets.
Outposts instead receive a single new Large Pad: it's fixed to the main building but it's external to it and it has very limited services:
AVAILABLE: mission board, commodities/black market, passenger lounge (only economy class contracts).
NOT AVAILABLE: maintenance, refill, refuel, shipyard and outfitting.

The Large Landing Pad is meant for load and unload operations only, so it's a very simple flat pad (no shelter inside) and when you dock a countdown starts. If you don't leave the pad in 10 minutes an automatic undocking procedure will release your ship from the pad and you will be requested to leave to avoid loitering.
 

CMDR Karrde Sun

CMDR Karrde Sun
No way. That's way too hard. Alternatives:

  • Type-7 gets a fighter hangar
  • Clipper is medium
Both ships fixed without architecting every space station in the game (?)

Also, the sag eye people came up with a/the reason a type 7 needs a large pad.. its too tall! Is the width of the clipper the same reason? Apart from the fact that they're dud ships in their pad size at least there might be rationale for them.

Personally the type-7 fits the same role as cobra4conda.. salvage / uss runner. Its got one of the best canopies in the game as well (sorry for saying that about every ship :p).. makes more sense than the type 9-10 one... and 55 jump with salvage fit.. and 64 cargo for all that imperial shielding limpets...
 
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Shiro Akai

Shiro Akai
In my book all (well, most) problems are solved not with ships but with new stattion / outpost type. Shiro Akai Solutions introduces:

Warehouse Distribution Center
  • 4x L pad
  • 6-8 S Pad
  • no M pad
  • refuelling
  • repair
  • no outfitting
  • no contacts
  • mission board for delivery and supply exclusively

Gameplay:
Large ships haul large quantities of cargo between Warehouses. Small ships distribute cargo between stations and outposts. Small ships also supply Warehouse which will prepare missions for large ships to transfer goods to the other Warhouse. Distribution center does not discriminate commodity type - accepts all (via small ship delivery). When enough of given cargo is collected, large ship mission is offered.

Future use:
In case of ships bigger than L-pad arriving (Panther Clipper), WDC can be outfitted with Remote Limpet Extraction of Amenities Service (ReLEASe) which will load/unload those tankers.
 

VR SenseiMatty

VR SenseiMatty
CMDR Karrde Sun said:
No way. That's way too hard. Alternatives:

  • Type-7 gets a fighter hangar
  • Clipper is medium
Both ships fixed without architecting every space station in the game (?)

Also, the sag eye people came up with a/the reason a type 7 needs a large pad.. its too tall! Is the width of the clipper the same reason? Apart from the fact that they're dud ships in their pad size at least there might be rationale for them.

Personally the type-7 fits the same role as cobra4conda.. salvage / uss runner. Its got one of the best canopies in the game as well (sorry for saying that about every ship :p).. makes more sense than the type 9-10 one... and 55 jump with salvage fit..
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Why is it too hard in your opinion? It requires a new asset for outposts only instead of 2 new ship models.
Yes the Type7 is too tall (in fact Python is longer and wider than the Type-7), that's why the Large Pad in my proposal is open and got not shelter. In spaceports it stays the same as now.
The Clipper instead is just big... (a bit smaller than a Type 9) but it lacks of internal space so it would deserve a place at outposts as well.
 

CMDR Karrde Sun

CMDR Karrde Sun
SenseiMatty said:
Why is it too hard in your opinion? It requires a new asset for outposts only instead of 2 new ship models.
Yes the Type7 is too tall (in fact Python is longer and wider than the Type-7), that's why the Large Pad in my proposal is open and got not shelter. In spaceports it stays the same as now.
The Clipper instead is just big... (a bit smaller than a Type 9) but it lacks of internal space so it would deserve a place at outposts as well.
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Its not too hard at all, if there's intention there's a way. Bad habit from trying to appease white knight attacks when suggesting frontier do anything. Apparently suggestions are too much and they'll keel over from just thinking about something that isn't isn't exactly like the game right now.
 

Sepp

Sepp
I'd prefer to see all large ships get a slot for a tender bay and have the possibility of equipping a small, limited range shuttle that is useable like an SRV... although pref with more than a 2 unit cargo capacity, lol. Either make it an option for the fighter bay or as an alternative module to it.
 

CoyoteXStarrk

CoyoteXStarrk
Yeah I'll pass. That is way too much work for the devs that could be better spent in other areas of the game.

Their are easier ways to buff the Clipper.
 

mdmaniac44

mdmaniac44
I've been thinking on this lately, too...

Basically, FDEV broke the game by making credits so much less of a factor. When your credit balance was something you had to be careful with a T7 made a lot of sense due to its cheap price and relatively huge load. I made my first 100mil in a T7. The trade-off is the large landing pad requirement (and the fact that it is a toaster). Sadly, there is very little reason to ever buy a T7 now. Many players seem to be going from their Sidey to a Cobra or Adder, mining some Void Opals and then jumping into a Python or Krait.

So, it's time for FDEV to re-evaluate the pros and cons of each ship. Has anyone bought a T6 in the last 6 months? Why would you? I bought a T7 and then stopped using it (for passenger rescue missions) in favor of a Conda. If the T7 fit on a medium pad, it would have a nice niche use again.

Just my 2c
 

Glassfish

Glassfish
i think they should allow the type 7 to land on a medium pad if you use the advanced docking computer. It looks like it would fit on the size comparison videos, and what’s with the wings that look like they fold but don’t.

I love the look of the 7. It looks like a space truck. I couldn’t wait to buy one. It’s such a shame that it’s just a stepping stone ship.
 

777Driver

777Driver
Glassfish said:
It looks like it would fit on the size comparison videos
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It doesn't fit on a med pad, hence the multiple threads over the past 4 years. They would need to either reduce it's height, or let it clip through the roof of the hangar. The Beluga actually slightly clips though the bottom of the hanger, no idea how bad it would be for the T7.

T7 is a stepping stone ship, like many others, no idea why that would stop you from flying it. I still fly a Python on many trade runs, 99% large pad runs)

earn way more with my Cutter & T9
 

Glassfish

Glassfish
Oh.. it’s the height 😋. Now it makes sense why it’s on a large pad. I still take my 7 out for a spin. I still have my Sidey too.

The fins on the beluga are ridiculous, what were they thinking?
 

Lord Megadrive

L
What about a delivery shuttle for use in the fighter bay? It could hold 50ish tons of cargo and you just ferry the stuff over.

Edit: in something like a T7 there could be an option for a shuttle bay that can’t hold a SLF.
 
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