Internet Connection Poll

How would you connect to the internet to play ED?

  • I'm completely unable to connect to the internet in a way that would allow me to play ED in any way.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I have unreliable internet access through which I could play ED, or I only have intermittent access.

    Votes: 17 12.3%
  • I have reasonably reliable internet access, but it's slow enough to cause problems with playing ED.

    Votes: 18 13.0%
  • I have an internet connection sufficient to play ED without issues related to connection quality.

    Votes: 103 74.6%

  • Total voters
    138
So your response is to throw out a snide remark, classy ;)


I believe you started us on this course, but please, continue to try and claim the moral high ground :)


No, having the choice of being able to play offline is no less important than being forced to play offline due to connectivity issues.

Wow, really? I feel like the aforementioned people with connectivity issues would beg to disagree. Yours is a matter of principle - Theirs is a matter of reality. I bet many of them would jump at the chance to play the game, if they actually could, regardless of whether they felt that excluding offline SP was wrong. There is DEFINITELY a difference. But whatever...


The real question is about the removal of the choice to begin with, and that's where people should be focussing their attention.

In your opinion. Many would disagree, including me. Moving on...


Do better, particularly with polls. This one serves no logical purpose

Please, lead the way, O Great One :) And yes, I'm being snarky. Deal.


...right now the only thing that really matters is Frontier Development's next move. Everything we do here is pretty much going to be shouting on soapboxes, but for the sake of logical sanity, at least try to shout coherently.

Agreed, although I would argue we could have an effect on that decision. The other thread in particular may have already. Regardless, until that point, we have every right to discuss the matter as (mostly) civilized adults. Even after that point, frankly. So, please, at least when your standing next to my soapbox, try to shout... respectfully :) You might even find I do the same in kind...
 
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I've got Virgin Media's lowest broadband range 4mps, most of the time it's OK but the last couple of months I've had several days with internet down. It didn't help when I had the local council gardener cutting my internet cable with hedge trimmers.:rolleyes:
 
You're not following. Fine, I'll clarify. The reason that the question of internet availability is no less or no more relevant than the question of choice is more a case of examining the problem as a set of logical issues. If Frontier Developments hadn't reneged on their part of the agreement that they had intended offline mode to be a functional part of the game, the debate about internet connectivity would be entirely moot. Therefore discussing internet connectivity is entirely academic, you're discussing *the wrong question*, because you're already effectively conceding and failing to ask the correct question of Frontier Developments, and not holding them to account for not making good on their end of their intended feature. By discussing internet connectivity as a problem you're already assuming that they (the poor souls who might -need- or -desire- offline mode ED) are in a position of defeat from which they are going to have to deal with the consequences, shrug, and accept the repercussions.

Get it?

Fantastic.
 
I have a pretty solid fiber connection, but this is utterly irrelevant to my desire to see an offline mode.

Offline would mean DRM free, potential for the game persist beyond Frontier's support (or even existence), and the potential for mods.
 
I can't vote, presumably due to lack of posts made, but I have what I'd describe as an "occasionally unreliable" connection and would probably select the third option - though it's connection drops, rather than speed, that tends to be the issues.
 
You're not following. Fine, I'll clarify. The reason that the question of internet availability is no less or no more relevant than the question of choice is more a case of examining the problem as a set of logical issues. If Frontier Developments hadn't reneged on their part of the agreement that they had intended offline mode to be a functional part of the game, the debate about internet connectivity would be entirely moot. Therefore discussing internet connectivity is entirely academic, you're discussing *the wrong question*, because you're already effectively conceding and failing to ask the correct question of Frontier Developments, and not holding them to account for not making good on their end of their intended feature. By discussing internet connectivity as a problem you're already assuming that they (the poor souls who might -need- or -desire- offline mode ED) are in a position of defeat from which they are going to have to deal with the consequences, shrug, and accept the repercussions.

Get it?

Fantastic.


Just so you know, I get your point. But your consummate arrogance and condescension obfuscates it greatly for me. I doubt I am alone in this regard.


That being said, the folks without a viable or fully viable internet connection ARE in a position of defeat right now. FD has stated their position pretty clearly, they have already started acting in accordance with this position and, if nothing changes, they WILL have to deal with the consequences, shrug, and accept the repercussions. We might try to persuade FD to change their stance, but frankly, in my opinion, I would say the odds we will do so are not good. I hope I'm wrong, truly I do, but my experience in this life has taught me to temper my expectations with precedent. However, perhaps by providing a snapshot of the severity of this particular issue, the most functionally debilitating one in my opinion, I was hoping to help bring our case to FD with some sort of concrete statistics about the harm it would cause. If the results bear out my hypothesis, anyway. In my way, I'm just trying to help the overall cause, as are you. Please keep this in mind, and try to leave your ego at the door. I will try to do so if you will.

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I have a pretty solid fiber connection, but this is utterly irrelevant to my desire to see an offline mode.

Offline would mean DRM free, potential for the game persist beyond Frontier's support (or even existence), and the potential for mods.


First of all, I just wanted to say thanks for bringing up these points in a constructive fashion :) All are important issues, in my opinion - I chose the one I felt was the single biggest possible barrier to play in the here and now. But those are all very, very good points on their own.
 
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To be fair this isn't just about having a stable internet connection. Its about future proofing, its about modding potential, its about ownership, its about the principle of the thing, its about having a world just for you unaffected by anyone else and perhaps most importantly its about honouring commitments made during a funding campaign.
 
Voted 3, but hoping it becomes 4 soon. Have been watching as the Superfast Worcestershire project upgrades all the phase 1 exchanges other than ours (well, and a few more, but if feels like ours will be last!), and moves on to phase 2 ones! We were due in July, then September, now November. I'll believe it when I see it!
 
There already exist a version of Elite that is this very solution - Oolite (there I go again :) )

I have Oolite, but they are definitely different games, though. I tend to think that's an apples and oranges comparison...

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To be fair this isn't just about having a stable internet connection. Its about future proofing, its about modding potential, its about ownership, its about the principle of the thing, its about having a world just for you unaffected by anyone else and perhaps most importantly its about honouring commitments made during a funding campaign.

Agreed on all points. As I said earlier, I chose to address what I considered the single biggest issue presenting a real barrier to play in any way. But all those points you made are valid, as well :)
 
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