Intra Agency Aggression

I find it amusing (in an annoying way, like say a fly gets in your house) that feds will fight feds and Imperials will fight Imperials.
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This npc named Bear was not going to actually get through my shields but I'm here to flippin HELP you you numbskull. Just because I happen to be pledged to the actual Emperor isn't enough excuse for you to try to murder me.
I don't get shot at passing the army base on the way to the air force base when I go to work, though that would make the mornings a lot more "interesting".

Anyway, I find it silly is all. Carry on.
 
I can certainly see the advantage for ALD if Aisling gets spanked on this one. The rebellious problematic daughter of the disinherited and even more problematic previous heir to the Imperial throne being taken down a peg or two after ALD's recent victory is going to do some good for the approval ratings.

If I was AD, I wouldn't trust ALD's people either.
 
It’s dumb and ridiculous that being pledged to the Emperor results in getting merits for destroying Duval ships but no merits for destroying Archer ships. It makes no sense. Of course you should be supporting an imperial faction ahead of a federation faction. The game should recognize and reflect this.
 
Personally I wish that player feds and imps would also fight among themselves.. After all it's supposed to be 12 powers duking it out..
I was specifically hoping for a 'Aisling vs the other Powers of the Empire, Passenger Mission to save Imperial Slaves on the Space Underground Railroad' CG. I'll take annoy Archer since there is extremely sus Sol interactions.
 
I have to admit, I'm a little confused about who I should be fighting for in this one.
Subtext makes it pretty clear which cause is worth fighting for here. No oversight for sirius corp so that they can bring us better technology to murder each other with! Sign up for Li Yong Rui. o7
 
It’s dumb and ridiculous that being pledged to the Emperor results in getting merits for destroying Duval ships but no merits for destroying Archer ships
Why would you get merits (and therefore control points), when undermining a system, for destroying ships which are also attacking the system? The enemy of your enemy isn't your friend but probably isn't worth shooting right now either.

If you want to reinforce the system rather than undermine it you can switch your pledge to Duval. If you want to undermine the system, you can destroy Duval ships. If you want to support Duval in the CG without undermining the system then you don't want to receive merits for your Archer kills because they'd be undermining merits.



(Narratively, sure, the superpower representation in-game is very weird, with regular wars between same-superpower minor factions and similarly at the Power level. Frontier probably need to hold a "collapse of the superpowers" storyline where they get removed and it's just two levels - Power and minor faction - if they want things to make "sense" in that way. But they could equally ignore that.)
 
(Narratively, sure, the superpower representation in-game is very weird, with regular wars between same-superpower minor factions and similarly at the Power level. Frontier probably need to hold a "collapse of the superpowers" storyline where they get removed and it's just two levels - Power and minor faction - if they want things to make "sense" in that way. But they could equally ignore that.)

Yes, this is the issue exactly. I don’t care about undermining or reinforcing the systems in this CG or anything like that. It’s the overall narrative that doesn’t make any sense.

An imperial faction is under attack by external powers, any other imperial faction should help. They’re all part of the empire after all. Maybe you don’t get merits for the emperor for killing archer ships but you certainly shouldn’t get merits for destroying Duval ships. Wouldn’t helping Archer take territory from Duval undermine the empire overall? Like I said, doesn’t make any sense.

For that matter there shouldn’t be any outright violent hostility between minor powers of the empire where you’re blowing up ships of other imperial factions. How in the world is that not considered treason against the emperor? It just seems like the empire (and all the other major powers) are in an open state of civil war.

If these things don’t change then the only thing that makes sense is to, as you say, get rid of the superpowers in the narrative and just have a bunch of minor powers fighting for control. It makes no sense that Patreus, Duval, Torval, and the Emperor are even considered a single empire with all the infighting that’s happening. And Patreus is supposed to be the admiral of the imperial fleet? How does that make any sense when his forces are outright blowing up the Emperor’s ships. This is not a serious narrative.
 
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This is why the CG should have been 'Aisling vs the Empire - Passenger Missions to bring Imperial Slaves to freedom!'

... then again, this should probably be a generic goal for her.
 
I find it amusing (in an annoying way, like say a fly gets in your house) that feds will fight feds and Imperials will fight Imperials.
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This npc named Bear was not going to actually get through my shields but I'm here to flippin HELP you you numbskull. Just because I happen to be pledged to the actual Emperor isn't enough excuse for you to try to murder me.
I don't get shot at passing the army base on the way to the air force base when I go to work, though that would make the mornings a lot more "interesting".

Anyway, I find it silly is all. Carry on.
You probably had the wrong ammo. Should have gone loaded for bear .......
 
Yes, this is the issue exactly. I don’t care about undermining or reinforcing the systems in this CG or anything like that. It’s the overall narrative that doesn’t make any sense.

An imperial faction is under attack by external powers, any other imperial faction should help. They’re all part of the empire after all. Maybe you don’t get merits for the emperor for killing archer ships but you certainly shouldn’t get merits for destroying Duval ships. Wouldn’t helping Archer take territory from Duval undermine the empire overall? Like I said, doesn’t make any sense.

For that matter there shouldn’t be any outright violent hostility between minor powers of the empire where you’re blowing up ships of other imperial factions. How in the world is that not considered treason against the emperor? It just seems like the empire (and all the other major powers) are in an open state of civil war.

If these things don’t change then the only thing that makes sense is to, as you say, get rid of the superpowers in the narrative and just have a bunch of minor powers fighting for control. It makes no sense that Patreus, Duval, Torval, and the Emperor are even considered a single empire with all the infighting that’s happening. And Patreus is supposed to be the admiral of the imperial fleet? How does that make any sense when his forces are outright blowing up the Emperor’s ships. This is not a serious narrative.
It's one Empire, but have you considered that Arissa Lavigny-Duval and Aisling Duval would be rivals in a power struggle? The Empire is fractured and has been close to civil ear on more than one occasion. AD has some ideas that are considered very unimperial and Torval openly hates her, for a start off.

Patreus and Torval are probably powerful enough as Senators that more support, they could have a crack at the Imperial throne if traditional lines if succession are going to have the rules bent as they have been already.

There's also been a few instances where ALD's hold on the throne has been found to be more tenuous than you'd think. It was only a few years ago she had to have senators executed summarily on the senate floor itself for supporting the Marlinists as a show of strength.

What you've probably got is something similar to the courts of rulers of medieval England. Everyone supports the ruler officially, until they have a chance to have a shot a gaining power for themselves.

As for how we'd get away with murdering ships of powers without those powers actively hunting us, I'd point you in the direction of that pilot's federation license. The same thing that allows you to get away with everything, so long as you pay off the right people. After all, just because you pledged to a power, doesn't mean you're under any direct command structure.
 
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