Is a bonus for scanning all the bodies in a system still a thing?

[MBaldelli]

DuckofDeath, tell me what value you're getting from this ELW cherry picking in the game that enriches your life outside of the game?

That certain star radiance/temperature types will have ELW around them? (yes, I've seen that forum messages explaining the catalog information and how to spot them in the game). This isn't the same as SOA number applied in the world, but it does come close.

That they are always of certain size, and placement within the orbital plane (also known as the Goldilocks Zone)? That these habitable zones are controlled by the radiance of the star in question and not necessarily by a fixed zone?

Are you working on a Nobel Prize in Physics that requires a theoretical model from this game to be applied by the AAS and BSA?

That ELW are pretty much more of the same regardless of the star being A or L classed?

Can you scan those ELW to work out the necessary proofs on Clarke's Rule along with the Fermi Paradox as hinted at from other science fiction writers (like Clarke (Gentry) Lee, McDevitt, Asimov, etc)? Oh wait, you can't... You have to imagine it for yourself... The developers have prevented this from being proven or disproven other than with Gas Giants and that's microbial life only. And even then we have no agency with that life on those planets to determine the uniqueness of that microbial life.

Any lore you might be working on is within your imagination. As well as any story telling.

You might think you're cute -- maybe even sharp by trying to ride the edge of Occam's Razor in your debate. My perspective is based on Hanlon's Razor with a healthy dose of Hitchen's Razor and a liberal application of the Duck Test.

 

[duckofdeath]

What does my experience outside the game have to do with it?
What I do get improved from my in-game experience is that I'm learning what system types to look for and what parts of the galaxy I should be looking for various kinds of planets.
Technically I don't target ELW's for profits, I target decent sized goldilocks zones with decent sized planets. Three terraforming candidate planets pays more than one earth-like.

If you don't enjoy the aspects of exploration, I honestly don't get why you're even in the exploration section of this forum? We have to make do with what we get in the game.

 

[Straha Yeagar]

What does my experience outside the game have to do with it?
What I do get improved from my in-game experience is that I'm learning what system types to look for and what parts of the galaxy I should be looking for various kinds of planets.
Technically I don't target ELW's for profits, I target decent sized goldilocks zones with decent sized planets. Three terraforming candidate planets pays more than one earth-like.

If you don't enjoy the aspects of exploration, I honestly don't get why you're even in the exploration section of this forum? We have to make do with what we get in the game.

Even in its current state, Exploration for me still inspires, and the fire burns with excitement about what I will find around the next corner, in the next system. I cherry pick the hell out of things. Not necessarily for the credits, but more as a collector. I tend to set out with specific things in mind such as stellar remnants, procgen supergiants, low mass black holes, galactic record systems. Most recently, I have been hunting for landable terraforming candidates. The best I have found so far was a trinary HMC, all landable terraformable. I do analyse the data I collect to learn more about the things I find. I am still always hunting for the legendary Glowing Green Gas Giants.

 

[marx]

I remember the question of a whole-system-scan bonus coming up during the very first days of exploration, when the exact mechanics were still largely a mystery. Some claimed that you got additional credits if you scanned everything, but that was quickly proven false.
There are arguments to be made both for and against such a bonus, but to be frank, "you all should play the way I want you to" is not a good one.

 

[MBaldelli]

What does my experience outside the game have to do with it?
What I do get improved from my in-game experience is that I'm learning what system types to look for and what parts of the galaxy I should be looking for various kinds of planets.
Technically I don't target ELW's for profits, I target decent sized goldilocks zones with decent sized planets. Three terraforming candidate planets pays more than one earth-like.

If you don't enjoy the aspects of exploration, I honestly don't get why you're even in the exploration section of this forum? We have to make do with what we get in the game.

Before I answer this, let me make sure that I'm reading this correctly... You're coming round robin to exactly what I said; you're cherry picking for the money. Please see the part about the duck test that got your knickers in a bit of a twist when I said, "...Gamers though? No... The motivations for gamers are most commonly the quick buck (or in this case credits) -- especially given the credit grind that is currently going on within this game -- with the secondary case of completing the Elite Badge for exploration..."

You can slap it away however you want, use whatever labels you want to justify it, play the semantics game all you want too. With the admission, you're doing it for the money. You might not aim for the ELW like a casual player might but instead do it for three terraformables in the same zone. The end result is still the same. Selectivity to which planets you want to collect money on.

Now, why I do exploration. I'm curious whether this game in a simulation can get the science bits down right about planetary objects correct in a working orbital plane and try to work out the potentials for why planetary models can end up off the galactic plane. I am a stickler for what's believable in a science-fiction setting if only because Berman & Braga did everything in their power to destroy the believability in the franchise they steered into the ground (Star Trek.. Namely Voyager and beyond). I will often trend information (much like a pointy-haired statistician) when it comes to rings on a planet -- or in the case of the systems heading toward Eta Carinae why there are so many L-class stars masquerading as Gas Giants. Talking with a friend that's an astronomer, I think that might be off... I could bring it up to FDev, but I've been told that they will most likely pull the "we programmed it, that's how it is..." And just let it drop as "human eccentricity".

Unfortunately (or fortunately as the case might be), I also have an extremely long memory when it comes to informational trending and in the middle of my doing these deep black surveys, notice a trend that goes against my nature. And that is human nature of doing things for the profit, for the quickest reasons and without one iota of forethought beyond either the end of their nose or what's in their wallet.

Again.. This is my approach to the universe and while I don't try to enforce it on anyone beyond myself, because of my nature, I also try to find a way where I can maximize this human shortcoming (doing things for profit or the quickest route) to mesh with my sense of order of the universe. Hence my reminder in this thread of system completion bonuses. Or did you not read that part and just skimmed over to what you found distasteful?

You see, part of my job/career involves understanding human nature. And it is far greater than my understanding of astronomy and astrophysics (as demonstrated in my response that caused you to C bomb me).

Now that I've made my position clear, how 'bout I propose a truce? You might not like the gruff manner I say things and people are often challenged by my brusque attitudes when using labels indiscriminately and wantonly, but if you understand that if I'm pressing a button it's not because I've played judge, jury and summarily executioner, you'll see that my debating issues cause people to rethink what they feel comfortable with to saying something different and still truthful outside of their comfort zone.