Hardware & Technical Is downgrading the only answer?

shadragon

shadragon
I just bought an MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G card as a present to myself. It replaced an older MSI R7850 Twin Frozr OC AMD Radeon 2GB card. Honestly after two days of watching my video lurch and freeze I've about had it. More than half of the video I recorded today for my E: D YouTube series is unusable because of quality issues, rubberbanding and other graphics stutter. I'd line up a ship in my crosshairs, squeeze the trigger just as it froze and my lasers would pass five ship widths away when it woke up. I'm sure Frontier does not want that sort of footage on YouTube...

To play the game successfully, do I need to re-install the two year old AMD video card I took out? With the AMD card I could process HD video in the background and still play the game smoothly. Now, even with nothing else running, I'm hitting all sorts of video issues. I have latest drivers and am running the recommended settings for the game in 1080 Ultra with no graphic mods. This issue only affects E: D. My other games run smooth as glass. E: D is occupying 9 - 22% of my CPU when running with no other process over 1% and there is only two of those.

Is there a fix in the works? Does Frontier even know what the issue is?

I'm happy to post a video showing these issues as I have about five hours recorded at 1080 and 30 FPS totaling about 600GB. I know this has been reported multiple times so do I even bother ticketing this?

I love this game, but man I cannot tell you just how frustrated ​I am.
 

Windscreen Smudge

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Latest drivers may be your problem. From what I've been hearing Nvidia has made a hot mess out of their latest release, trying to make it all fancy and stuff to like up with Windows 10's release. Try going back 3 or 4 versions.
 
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Zieman

Zieman
dc83 said:
MSI is a Nvidia brand yes?
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GTX 970 is Nvidia, IIRC MSI does both AMD & Nvidia.

@ shadragon: Is the 970 factory overclocked? E: D seems to have a problem with OCd 970s - you could try setting the core clock 50MHz lower. Until FDEV and/or Nvidia find & fix the issue, the workaround is all there is...
 
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Aewarin Jameson

Aewarin Jameson
Personally I would go for a reinstall of Windows.

I know it might seem like an odd, OTT thing to say, but I find Windows (for me) just goes to pieces after about 6 months usage, more so when I swap hardware about and for me a GFX card is quite major (more so as you went AMD to NVidia which is a platform change)

Thinking less dramatically - try reinstalling your motherboard drivers & Direct X. Also check that the drivers for your new card are fro the web (latest ones)
 

AndiBcool

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The GTX 970 has A big problem with the memory. Only 3,5 GB are fast the last 0,5 GB are very slow because of hardware by design.
Really you should find a lot infos in you search engine.

If you want to use a new Nvidia card avoid the 960 and 970.
Only the 980, 980 ti and titan are good.
Otherwise get some oder model with 4GB.

Btw my 980 is also factory oc but i have no issues.
 

Deep Blue

Deep Blue
AndiBcool said:
If you want to use a new Nvidia card avoid the 960 and 970.
Only the 980, 980 ti and titan are good.
Otherwise get some oder model with 4GB.

Btw my 980 is also factory oc but i have no issues.
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That's a load of sh*t. I have been using a 970 since beta and had never any troubles whatsoever. In Elite and/or any other game. They all run at ultra settings.

I guess OP problems lies with old AMD drivers, a faulty card or PCI slot. Did you (OP) try a different slot?
 
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[HJ]-RedRaven

[HJ]-RedRaven
There's also the possibility of not completely uninstalling the previous AMD video drivers. They 'shouldn't' interfere but sometimes you can get odd behaviour. I use Uninstaller Pro to get rid of program installations, as it finds and destroys almost every file left behind.

Try a clean install of the drivers, and as @Windscreen Smudge said, try a driver version or two back.
 

shadragon

shadragon
AMD drivers were removed completely. I also turned off DSR and am rending at the native 1080.

What I don't get is every other one of my 180+ games works a treat. Only E: D has this jerky motion and I'm not alone. Here's the results of a cursory search on the forums.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=169548 (Scroll down for QA-Jonny comments)

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=114639

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=154456

So I have to repeat my question. Does Frontier know what the issue is and is any headway being made in finding a solution or do I need to simply yank out the 970?
 

Arkantes

Arkantes
I ran ED on a MSI 770 and a MSI 980 (not the 970) without any issue, both OC, so I don't really understand why the 970 shouldn't work. The card could be faulty. Are you using the optimal parameters for ED in Gefore Experience?

Also, what's your PSU power?
 

KillingTime

KillingTime
stupid question but I assume you are using Shadowplay to record the videos? Are you using a SSD? Are you recording to the same partition as your system?

Do you only get stuttering when recording?

I suggest running some tools that can monitor your CPU and GPU usage while gaming and seeing if there's any correlation between the stuttering and whats going on with your hardware.

Do you have a spare HDD you can try a completely fresh windows install on as this should completely eliminate software issues from the troubleshooting process.

OR... E:D is just borked but I know a few people with 970s without issue so it could be a multitude of factors causing it.
 

dead_rock

dead_rock
There was a thread regarding the micro stuttering on Nvidia cards.
It suggested to switch the PhysX from GPU to CPU.

Haven't tried that for myself yet but switching to borderless window mode got rid of most the stutter for me.
 

X-Terminator

Banned
X-Terminator
Same card but EVGA SC. There is a thread here about stutter. It is found in all cards and no changing of any settings does anything but make you think it has. Not even the core parking fix works. It can't even be broadband as mine has been its best ever at 20mb though I do use a wifi booster. My pings have dropped as low as 17 on bf4. With ED we have no clue what pings are between server and other players but I doubt they care but Wings quality suffers greatly by it.
The answer I'd say is local servers both game server and local players just as Battlefield server use. You get kicked off for high pings but with ED its a worldwide issue and it can not cope.
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It's not the 3.5gb memory usage on the GTX970 either as that is only a problem seen when using 4k + screens so no problem with it otherwise. If not needing 4k then the GTX970 is the best affordable card for performance.
 
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shadragon

shadragon
KillingTime said:
stupid question but I assume you are using Shadowplay to record the videos? Are you using a SSD? Are you recording to the same partition as your system?

Do you only get stuttering when recording?

I suggest running some tools that can monitor your CPU and GPU usage while gaming and seeing if there's any correlation between the stuttering and whats going on with your hardware.

Do you have a spare HDD you can try a completely fresh windows install on as this should completely eliminate software issues from the troubleshooting process.

OR... E:D is just borked but I know a few people with 970s without issue so it could be a multitude of factors causing it.
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Not stupid Q's.

Stutter when recording (Shadowplay or FRAPS set to 30FPS recording - no diff) or when not recording. CPU is 9 - 22%. GPU alarm is set to 70% and nothing has reached that level yet in logs.

Tried setting the PhysX to CPU. Slight improvement, I think, but I have not been near any planets lately. Will double check tonight.

Grand Theft Auto series, Far Cry series, Call of Duty series, Tropico series, Just Cause series, Half-Life series, Sniper Elite series, Borderlands series, Assassins Creed (six of those), plus all my Total War games work fine on ultra settings. It's just E: D that causes me issues.

If I put the older AMD card in, the issues disappear. I'm sure this is an E: D issue.
 
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